A Ghost in the Shell live action by Dreamworks

Anyhow, i didnt think of the original anime as that good either. Actually, all these "philosophical conversations" were just the major smartassing Batou without any relevance to the plot, which also wasnt that twisted/thrilling, in the first place. The nude scenes were pretty obsolete and motokos face looked like fucking man, damnit! OMFG Denton, you're the last action hero jumping into the heat of the flames. It's about time I came across someone who thought the same about the movie as I do. I used to go on & on about how I thought the movie was pretentious bullcrap, but I eventually stopped. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=391" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=391 forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=238&start=21" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=238&start=21 I'm trying to stop being so opinionated, because all it does is piss people off. (Although I'm not even trying to enforce my opinion. My only intention is to state what I feel.) Have you ever read the GITS Man Machine Interface manga? It's even worse. The entire book is full of masturbatory science & techno babble. Don't even bother looking for a plot, because it doesn't have one. MMI is just a bunch of hot chicks, plus a virtual reality lesbian threesome scene pretending to be intellectual & insightful. When really Man Machine Interface feels more like I'm reading the back of a manual on how to build a self functioning rocket launcher on legs. But 2nd Gig was a real improvement imo. (didnt watch SAC ) I like how the tv series is more political, and less "Let me show off the philosophy books I've read bitch!" The first SAC was good, but I find 2nd GIG to be better in every way. (Most people prefer the first season more, so it depends on your view point. The only thing I liked better about the first season was the music & Kusanagi's ridiculous battle thong.) 2nd GIG had a more focused story. A story that was actually relevant. (to Japan.) Mamoro Oshii (The man behind the movies.) wrote the plot for the 2nd gig, and I'm glad that he severely cut down on all that philosophical babble. I'm about to spoil most of the first SAC series... The first SAC series basically revolved around an internet meme that went out of control. It inspired many copy cat crimes, a decoy who was planted by the government to be the face of the Laughing man, and corporations taking advantage of the Laughing man phenomenon by committing extortion & crimes on a public level. Basically the entirety of the first series revolves around these corporations & how they effectively hid behind the line of suspicion by using the "Laughing Man" cultural icon as a convenient scape goat. While what I described does sound pretty cool... The funny thing is that Aramaki & the Major actually figured most of this shit out by the 4rth or 5th episode of the first series. So essentially the rest of the show was just filler. (Good, well written filler mind you, but still filler.) Motoko finally learns all the incriminating info that she needed to know when she finally came face to face with the Laughing Man AKA Aoi (Blue) It turns out that there was no laughing man, and it was really just a meme like icon propagated by several corps. within the government. AOI himself only committed the original Laughing Man act when he saw some documents on the internet about some corporate corruption that he just couldn't stand. Note: The person who wrote those documents is the original Laughing Man whom we never see nor hear about in the entirety of both series. Aoi later disappeared from society & took sanctuary inside a library when he realized that all he did was contribute more to the corruption. He was also disgusted how people were looking up to the "Laughing Man" figure as if he were some kind of hero. (People in GITS look up to the icon of Laughing Man in the same way that some socialists extremists look up to Che Guevara.) Section 9 were eventually terminated by the Japanese government through the use of an elite like Blackwater black ops org known as the Umibozu. The Japanese PM had to pretend to go through the motions, because of the current election. (The man behind the Laughing man scandal was an influential guy who was a member of the current PM's cabinet.) That and because the methods that Section 9 used in order to combat information warfare was made public. The PM didn't want to come off as some guy who supports government tyranny so he had to sacrifice Section 9. (From what I gather. People seemed to have saw Section 9 as some form of police state.) By the end of the first season we find out that Section 9 are officially killed or detained as terrorists by the Japanese government. (Section 9 now live on as a ghost unit that doesn't officially exist.) The Laughing Man goes down in history as that decoy guy from the 5th episode. The only people who know the truth about the Laughing Man by the end of the series are Aoi & Section 9. We learn by 2nd GIG that the Japanese PM fails to get reelected & is replaced by the sfirst female PM. (Who happens to be hot at hell.) ----- I'd like to add that Suda 51's Silver Case has a plot that's somewhat similar to the first season of SAC. (SC was made in 1999 so it predates SAC by a couple of years.) If mainly because both rely on a plot device of an enigmatic terrorist who doesn't actually exist on a physical level. They're more like a cultural evolution being propagated by the government to be used as a scapegoat.

I liked the second season more than the first too. (exept for that lame episode with motoko's childhood, lol, but I can accept it because the rest of the series is so good). I didn't like Solid State Society very much tought. It was kinda, I don't know, pointless. Motoko leaves section 9 and returns in the same movie. And the whole puppetmaster thing was just a deus ex machina to show motoko's return to section 9, so I don't get the point. LOL manmachine interface, I still have to understrand what the fuck was it all about. The only thing that I understood is that shirow likes to draw motoko's underwear, lol.

Shit, I spent so much time trying to get every single detail in my former post correct that I actually edited it about 5 times, hah. Motoko leaves section 9 and returns in the same movie. And the whole puppetmaster thing was just a deus ex machina to show motoko's return to section 9, so I don't get the point. If there's one thing that is wrong about the SAC universe is how Section 9 almost always magically find a way to restart everything back to the way things originally were before the show started. So in a sense both series & the movie are pointless. (Not that I've ever seen the sac movie.) At least the ride is fun while it lasts. LOL manmachine interface, I still have to understrand what the fuck was it all about. The only thing that I understood is that shirow likes to draw motoko's underwear, lol It's about hot butt naked cyborg chicks talking about irrelevant technobabble shit while touching & grabbing each other's privates & humping each other at the same time. Could you imagine doing that irl? Be sure to engage in intellectual discussion during sexual intercourse the next time you fuck somebody. I prefer golgo 13's approach. Where he doesn't say jack shit at all. He just bangs the bitch like a jackhammer. The one positive about MMI is that it at least has plausible continuity. (Unlike SAC which manages to start back at 1 as if nothing happened.) The section 9 in MMI looks nothing like the Section 9 from the original manga. (No motoko either, she's some ai god now like Jc Denton in Invisible war.)

I think that for how SAC is structured, it is good that it restarts from 1 at every series. There isn't even a main plotline, after all, even the complex episodes plot is nothing more than an investigation of section 9. (But, hell, I would like to see those damn tachikoma die for good. They sacrifice themselves at the end of every series and then they come back to life, who the fuck projected them, hideo kojima?) Hell, no, you're right after all. There should be some changes in the status quo. Minor changes, but, hell, not ever the same thing. Like, they could kill Pazu. Oh my God, pazu's funeral, noones cry, they avenge pazu and a new member enters in the section 9. Lol pazu did something only in one episode where an ex-girlfriend of him predended to be him with an artifical body. (Boma is more useless than pazu, tought, lol. he doesen't even have an his-own episode, poor boma.)

The real Paz actually died in that episode. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex # Spot The Imposter - A duel between two Pazus. In a possible double subversion, if one pays close attention, the real Pazu is killed by the impostor. However the impostor's brain-synch has made them effectively interchangeable. Boma is used as back up muscle, & back up brains. (He's secondary to Batou & Ishikawa.) Boma at least has more relevance in the man machine interface manga. Hell, him & Aramaki are practically the only section 9 members who come back in MMI. BTW I was looking through the manga's recently and it's actually the first GITS manga that has the lesbian virtual reality scene. I browsed through MMI, and it still doesn't make much sense. I never managed to read through the whole thing, because it's hard to tell when the story begins, and when the techno babble ends. One thing I've noticed is that MMI has a shit load of fully coloured panels. Which was probably used as a way to obscure how little plot mmi has. (Kinda like how people will play a MGS & completely ignore how inane the dialogue is, because they're blinded by the high budgeted presentation.) I think that for how SAC is structured, it is good that it restarts from 1 at every series. There isn't even a main plotline, after all, even the complex episodes plot is nothing more than an investigation of section 9. I just want to see more logical continuity. When Section 9 were terminated in the first season. They should've been terminated for real, or at least killed off most of them. (Leaving only Motoko,Batou, & Togusa.) Most of the police force who you work alongside with in SC die in that game. (SC has a similar plot structure to SAC.) When I look at Silver Case & compare it to what I've seen of Silver Case 25 ward. You'll see that the structure of the characters we once knew are completely different from how they were in the original. (Or at least the ones who are still alive.) In 25 Ward we actually see Toriko Kusabi instead of hearing about her from her father. Tetsuguro Kusabi who was one of the main characters from SC is not present in SC25 Ward at all, because he's currently conducting a case in the United States. Sumio Kodai looks & acts more like his Sumio Mondo alter ego from FSR. Sakura Natsume takes more of a leading role in 25 Ward. Whereas she acted as a secondary replacement to Sumio after he was arrested in the first game. The only person who seems to be the same is Tokio Morishima, the reporter. Only thing that really changed about him is that he's buffer & more muscular now. Of course there's also the development of the two survivors from Moonlight Syndrome eventually becoming serial killers when they make their appearance in Silver Case. Another person who was still among the living in MS, Yayoi is seen in FSR, but she "acts" so well in playing her role in FSR that you would never guess that she was actually a bad guy in Moonlight Syndrome. If there's one thing I would like to see in GITS it would be more noticeable changes to the characters over time like you said. I understand that the Section 9 members are already developed. (In the sense that most of them have been battle -*test*-('")ed during WW III, & IV.) I'd just like to see continuity that makes more sense. The thing I liked about Silver Case was how big in scope the setting for those games were. They take place mostly in Japan, but there's a huge ass cast of characters. You could never grow attached to any of them either, because they usually get killed off in some of the most pointless (but realistic) ways possible. Most of the dead characters in SC eventually get replaced with a new character which is much similar to what you described in your pazu example. (Well not exactly the revenge part. New faces just come & go in SC. In the same way new faces come & go in real life.)

I'm trying to stop being so opinionated, because all it does is piss people off. (Although I'm not even trying to enforce my opinion. My only intention is to state what I feel.) Have you ever read the GITS Man Machine Interface manga? I dont read manga at all and actually ive watched like 10 animes completly, since with most I get bored after around 7 eps ( including hyped ones like Eva or Suzumiya ). And im only 18 after all, so there wasnt that much time for me to watch much xD Where ive to applaud SAC + 2nd GIG are the incredible openings. When I watch some anime, i mostly skip the OP since theyre just annoying JPop love songs that have nothing to do with the story accompanied by some retarded clipshows. This is also the thing with the Gits openings, but they actually sound kick ass and are NO FUCKING LOVE SONGS or pop. I also like the Ergo Proxy opening. Another ways to make a good OP is to give it indeed some relevance to whats going on like in the Gankutsuou OP and EP, which are somewhat of retellings of the background story of the series and have some nice melody. Or they just shut up in the first place and just let play some nice music like in Haibane Renmei.

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