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Congrats, Akura. ^_^ Emir at the top of the roof top is Garcian Smith. Garcian doesn't confront Emir at Union Hotel. He is actually confronting his past. (Kill the Past) In the brady games strategy guide,Suda 51 said that the 3 eyed Emir Parkreiner who we see at the rooftop is an after image of Garcian's past. Personally, I think he does confront Emir...or at least, the spirit of Emir. The way I interpret it, after Emir killed himself on the Union Hotel roof, somebody crammed the spirits of the Smith Syndicate, Harman Smith (Young Harman, not the God-like aspect), and (interestingly enough) Emir Parkreiner within his Third Eye, then resurrected him. Think of it like a seal. After this, Emir was resurrected as Garcian Smith. Garcian is a kind man who values teamwork, Emir is a cold-blooded killer and loner...polar opposites. Garcian can then draw on the powers of those sealed within the Third Eye...Emir's sight, Harman's God Hand, etc. The Syndicate seem to have gotten enhanced powers influenced by their deaths, further cementing the idea that these are spirits, not real people. Anyway - everything goes along just fine, up until the seal starts to crack in Smile. We see Harman Smith break out fairly early in order to kill and "recruit" Samantha like he did the Syndicate. However, since Garcian still has his God Hand powers, Harman may never have left in order to do this, or even can go in and out of the eye. Skip to the safe - we visibly see the Third Eye start to open, and the seal cracking. When the syndicate starts dying in the Colbourn School gym, their spirits escape, leaving us unable to access or revive them. The inability to revive them may also mean that Harman Smith's spirit has completely broken free and taken his piece of the God Hand with him, as we see him 'killing' God Harman (What I call the godly aspect of Harman Smith) and Kun Lan (Godly aspect of Iwazaru). Skip to the Union Hotel - where we had previously found Soul Bullets, we see vivid black and white depictions of the Syndicate's deaths. This could be Emir's spirit rising to the surface, trying to break free of the seal of the Third Eye - Garcian even experiences his memories. When Garcian reaches the roof of the hotel, he sees the spirit of Emir Parkreiner...and shoots him in the Third Eye. This adversely shatters the seal and allows Emir's spirit to fully break free, where he proceeds to reclaim his body. Garcian, covered in "a mark of traitorous deeds that look like beautiful red roses" (Travis, from the "prologue" that was the first mission), realizes what he'd done and that his entire existence was a lie, just a stand in while the body's true spirit was away. He cries, tries to deny it, end of game. Roll credits. As for who resurrected Emir in this way...I'd put my money on Kun Lan. Knowing that he couldn't win his 'chess games' with Harman, he placed a rogue chess piece amongst Harman's midst (Hence Garcian being a black man wearing a white suit and Emir being a black man wearing a BLACK suit), and manipulated him so the spirit of Harman Smith would break free and end at least one game in a stalemate. Furthermore, without Harman Smith in the picture, Kun Lan was the only man with the powers of the God Hand to be resurrecting others, and could have manipulated it so that Emir would kill the Syndicate and his former mentor, knowing he'd kill himself afterwards. After that...it's just a matter of clean-up.

When interpreting the story of Killer 7. It's important to remember that the game should be evaluated in a figurative sense. For example when we say "I'm hungry, I can eat a whole horse." We don't exactly mean that we want to eat a whole horse. We are just stating how hungry we are. This is the same logic that I feel should be used when interpreting Killer 7. More often than not most Killer 7 fans base their ideas & points of view off of what they see & hear in Killer 7, and not what the individual scenes & dialogue actually mean or represent. Remember this game is post modern. Killer 7 is not meant to be taken literally... Personally, I think he does confront Emir...or at least, the spirit of Emir. How can he confront Emir? When the kid at the rooftop is Garcian/Emir when he was younger? Here's a pic I made to help illustrate my point. I gotta tell the truth. Emir Parkreiner died on "April 28, 1952." The registration of residence indicates that he was living with his parents...then who is the Emir attending this school? Have the records been fabricated? The government has gone too far... http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/fbi.htm The real Emir was never shown in the game at all. He's irrelavant. IMO the original Emir Parkreiner (The one who lived during WWII) was probably some random Middle Eastern/White man. If Suda claims that the kid you see at Union Hotel is an after image of Garcian's past. Than that's exactly what it is. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/bradykillersuda.jpg Personally I think that Suda 51 interpretations of the Killer 7 story should be valued more than our own versions of the story. (Including my own & Shockley Haynes.) After all Killer 7 is based off his series of games which all share the same code word "Kill the Past" (Silver Case,Moonlight Syndrome,FSR,Killer 7) So it's only fitting that Garcian kills the past right then & there. The way I interpret it, after Emir killed himself on the Union Hotel roof, somebody crammed the spirits of the Smith Syndicate, Harman Smith (Young Harman, not the God-like aspect), and (interestingly enough) Emir Parkreiner within his Third Eye, then resurrected him. Think of it like a seal. That doesn't make any sense. It requires way too much suspension of disbelief. From what I've seen from both FSR & Silver Case. Is that most of the key parts of his stories can be logically & realistically explained without the use of god like entities and other religious terminology. First off we need to learn what exactly a "Third eye" is in the first place. For some reason most Killer 7 fans seem to think that Suda 51 came up with the idea for the 3rd eye, when in reality 3rd eyes are usually a sign of illumination. The third eye in Killer 7 refers to the pineal gland. Quote for reference Physical basis: the pineal gland? Some, including Rick Strassman, have suggested that the third eye is in fact the partially dormant pineal gland, which resides between the two hemispheres of the brain. This concept is supported by the pinealocytes, one type of cells within the pineal gland, having a strong resemblance to the photoreceptors of the eye. Additionally, the pineal gland is said to excrete dimethyltryptamine (DMT), which some think induces dreams, near-death experiences, meditation, or hallucinations. Various types of lower vertebrates, such as reptiles and amphibians, can actually sense light via a third parietal eye—a structure associated with the pineal gland—which serves to regulate their circadian rhythms. There is evidence that the pineal gland produces the hormone melatonin, which has a role in regulating the body's circadian rhythm to the daily light/dark cycle and also assists with the immune system. Because of all the above, the pineal gland has become for some the subject of speculation about its origin as a physical third eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye As you see, like most aspects of Killer 7 the 3rd eye is not of supernatural origin at all. It's a metaphor. (The entirety of Killer 7 is a metaphor to be exact.) I seriously don't understand why most Killer 7 fans feel the need to assert a deus ex machina like rationale to Emir's Third eye. When Suda 51 claims that Emir's eye was beggining to open when in conflict with his memories in relation to the past. What Suda meant... Is that Emir was starting to see the truth, & that the truth hurts. Think about it when you hear words like ressurection,god hand, god killer. They are all only used when referring to Harman or Kun Lan. Who are imo physical embodiments of ideals & thought patterns not actual people. When Kun Lan is being referred to as being killed 30 yrs. ago. The game is actually saying that Japan (EAST) lost the war over 30 yrs. ago. Kun Lan being ressurected refers to Japan being more patriotic & trying to reclaim their militray prestige from the old days. (Late 18th - early 20th century) The chess games that Harman & Kun Lan play represent the strategic battle of wits & brawn called politics & war. As for Kun Lan himself, he's not even a person. He's an astral projection of an idea. I've already went over this countless times so I'll just direct everyone to this thread. http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=534&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 Where I go into more detail about Kun Lan. Garcian can then draw on the powers of those sealed within the Third Eye...Emir's sight, Harman's God Hand, etc. The Syndicate seem to have gotten enhanced powers influenced by their deaths, further cementing the idea that these are spirits, not real people. Anyway - everything goes along just fine, up until the seal starts to crack in Smile. We see Harman Smith break out fairly early in order to kill and "recruit" Samantha like he did the Syndicate. However, since Garcian still has his God Hand powers, Harman may never have left in order to do this, or even can go in and out of the eye. Question, what exactly is the God hand when used within the context of Killer 7? If you want my opinion, I think it's just pointless rhetoric. The religious aspect that most English speaking Killer 7 fans seem to focus on is IMO nothing more than Red herrings. Seriously when you think about it... Read to yourself out loud the post you just wrote. Doesn't it sound illogical to you? If you were to present a similar critique to anybody not familiar with Killer 7 they would label you as irrelevant, because what you presented to moi is based more off of faith & belief rather than logic or reason. In other words what you wrote doesn't make any sense. (Which is understandable I see people posting their K7 interpretations of the story at my youtube vids page. Most of which happen to resemble what you wrote. Which makes it clear to I that the game did a good job at misleading it's audience with the numerous red herrings.) Skip to the safe - we visibly see the Third Eye start to open, and the seal cracking. When the syndicate starts dying in the Colbourn School gym, their spirits escape, leaving us unable to access or revive them. The inability to revive them may also mean that Harman Smith's spirit has completely broken free and taken his piece of the God Hand with him, as we see him 'killing' God Harman (What I call the godly aspect of Harman Smith) and Kun Lan (Godly aspect of Iwazaru). Since when was Iwazaru godly? He's just some dead guy who haunts Garcian's mind. Iwazaru with the face of Kun Lan is just a shock tactic, & has no relavance to the story. (IN HIK7 he is only described as a Heaven Smile with the face of Kun Lan.) You are misinterpreting Killer 7 on the whole. The game was not a personal struggle. It's more about the shape of the enviornment & how our world is shaped & controlled through the use of disinformation. Unfortunately the majority of the Killer 7 fanbase have been misdirected & confused by mis information which has been laced through out the entire game. Which is ironic in itself. This is why I say that you need to look at the straight line. The "line" being the political story arc in Killer 7. When look at this game through a political point of view & all the cut scenes as physical metaphors of the political messages that both Iwazaru & Travis spread through out the game. The game Killer 7 starts to look more realistic & possible rather than that crazy religious "The one" rebirth of black Jesus christ that the English speaking Killer 7 audiences seem to always regurgitate. While the amendment of article 9 of the Japanese/United States peace constitution may be unimportant to all of us non Japanese. The other main political message in Killer 7 of our governments being controlled through well placed dis information & lies of convenience should be relavant to all of us world wide. When Garcian reaches the roof of the hotel, he sees the spirit of Emir Parkreiner...and shoots him in the Third Eye. This adversely shatters the seal and allows Emir's spirit to fully break free, where he proceeds to reclaim his body. Garcian, covered in "a mark of traitorous deeds that look like beautiful red roses" (Travis, from the "prologue" that was the first mission), realizes what he'd done and that his entire existence was a lie, just a stand in while the body's true spirit was away. He cries, tries to deny it, end of game. Roll credits. The Emir who we know is Garcian Smith. However both Emir Parkreiner & Garcian Smith are not his real identity. Garcian is a persona of Harman Smith & Emir Parkreiner is an identity implanted by the government. Garcian's original identity is only hidden away, because he has a dissociative identity disorder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder There's nothing super natural at hand at all. His concious is just buried deep underneath the other Smiths. To put it bluntly Garcian/ Emir is just some random disturbed kid who's identity has been tampered with by both the governemnts of the U.S.A. & Japan. That's all I'll say about that. As for who resurrected Emir in this way...I'd put my money on Kun Lan. Knowing that he couldn't win his 'chess games' with Harman, he placed a rogue chess piece amongst Harman's midst (Hence Garcian being a black man wearing a white suit and Emir being a black man wearing a BLACK suit), and manipulated him so the spirit of Harman Smith would break free and end at least one game in a stalemate. Furthermore, without Harman Smith in the picture, Kun Lan was the only man with the powers of the God Hand to be resurrecting others, and could have manipulated it so that Emir would kill the Syndicate and his former mentor, knowing he'd kill himself afterwards. After that...it's just a matter of clean-up. I ask what would be the point of it all? What makes Emir/Garcian so special? Out of a sea of a million people? Garcian/Emir is just a tool/pawn like everybody else in the game. How exactly would Kun Lan know that Garcian would kill himself? Is it because of Kun Lan's "god hand powers"? If so how come Harman doesn't have the foresight to see through Kun's ruse. (Since Harman himself also has those supposed "god hand powers".) BTW the stalemate in Harman & Kunlan's chess game represents the choice that you get to make at the end of the game regarding Matsuken's fate. If you choose to kill him you tip the scales to Harman's favour. (West) If you let him live you tip the scales to Kun Lan's side. (East) The stalemate only ocuured because someone outside of the system. (Not Garcian.) interuppted the flow of events & woke up Garcian from his charade/manipulation. (That person is either the Y.Harman or who ever it is that gives him his orders.) In HIK 7 it's made clear that Kun Lan just wants to over throw the current governments of the world because they are all governed by artificial logic. The code word: Artificial logic refers to a system of laws & regulations that are based off misinformation & basic half truths. These are the same laws that have indirectly created our social caste system which Dale Musashi has covered in his File 7 thread. http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=531 Kun Lan wants to spread chaos in order to topple the current regime. BTW when I say Kun Lan, I refer to the ideal that he represents & not Kun Lan himself. (In HIK7 Kun Lan is just an old man who is caged up deep undergound by the government.) Again I refer back to this thread http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=534&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 since I don't want to go into detail again.

Wow, what a read. These last few posts have been quite informative. I feel like I'm getting a better grip on the story thus far. A buddy of mine has K7, he hasn't beaten it yet, but when he does I'll be there to help him figure it out! The numerous red herrings are quite surprising to me. I feel green when I let them slip by me and allow them to convince myself they are important. Harman Smith (the version that interacts with Kun) never really uses his God Killer powers. Unless they are being physically represented by the large ass anti-tank rifle strapped to his wheelchair. Kun himself does use his God Hand. Obviously when he gives Matsuken his power/ideals/whatever. But the only true God Hand is the one on Gene's body! KICKIN YOUR ASS!! I will say that I feel like I have a 100% understanding of who Emir/Garcian is. Based off these posts.

Okay...after nearly an hour of typing (and I really think a lot of it was over-excessive...but hey, when you're on a roll...), I've got like...2/3 of my response done. V_V I'll finish it when I find some more time.

Yeah I don't really think that Garcian killed himself on the roof of the Union Hotel. I think it was more a way to show us the death of Garcian as Emir Parkreiner. Garcian is discovering his past and realizes that the Emir inside of him was killed (like Anakin was killed when he became Vader :P). Harman Smith (the young one at the end of the game) SAYS HIMSELF, "From the second when I first took you in on the roof". How could he take him in that day if Emir was dead? The Emir inside was dead. Garcian began that moment. He had either gone out of his mind, or conviced himself that this incident had never happened. The Young Harman Smith then molded him into Garcian. Garcian eventually went out on his own as an assassin. He was of course always watched, but he wasn't a slave to his brainwashing master (like 1chi the Killer is to his boss Jijii). I was watching the cutscenes and I was wondering something. There's a scene in a small restaurant where Hiro Kasai meets with Garcian. But later he is on a rooftop, and with a gagball in his mouth and rings in his nipples, he leaps off of the building to his death. I might've forgotten something, but why did he kill himself again?

I'm under the assumption that Matsuken offed him. My only reason why is that Kasai was the one who made Garcian track down Fukushima, which lead to the death of Fukushima (but not by Garcian's hands).

Haha, that's pretty funny. Somewhat of a REALLY nerdy in joke of course but still it makes sense. :P

but I don't think religion is a Red Herring. When there's so many religious aspects to this game To clarify I actually do believe in a spritual aspect to Killer 7, but the meaning I have for it is completly different from the Jeudo Christain view that most K7 fans would lead you to believe. Religion is a red herring to moi,because it distracts you from the main focal point of the story, which is strictly political. Most people who focus on the religious aspects of Killer 7 usually come up with theories that just don't make a whole lot of sense. Which in turn make the story of Killer 7 more confusing than it actually is. Plus the religious based theories tend to be based on assumptions without any proof or circumstantial evidence. How are we suppose to know what Kun Lan is thinking? We see most of the game through the eyes of Garcian Smith. Simply stating that Killer 7 is a battle of Good vs evil or God vs Satan just doesn't cut it. (I'd be thinking that a game with a supposedly complex story line would have a message that's a bit more meaningful than Good vs Evil.) My view of how or what Emir Parkreiner's identity may be is greatly supported by the Coburn elementary FBI tapes. (I'd list some examples, but I already have two or three times in this thread.) Although they never tell you anything explicitly they are strongly hinted at. My views about Killer 7 actually being about Article 9 are also greatly supported by the Mills & Garcian dialogue during Sunset & Smile. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/quo.htm#prom Suffice to say I can come up with a lot more proof about the importance of the political plot than I can with the religious aspect of K7. Simply because I don't believe it exists. If you look at the Japanese Killer 7 wikipedia, http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_7 you'd be hard pressed to find any of those supposed religious story arcs that us English speaking fans tend to stress. Yet I do see several paragraphs that do support what I've been saying since I began this site back in 2005. Such as this excerpt about Linda Vermilion. 合衆国政府に雇われた情報屋としては不自然な面がある。 黒のコートの下は素肌に近い大胆な服装の美女。劇中一度しか登場せず、その行動には謎が多い。 Linda Vermilion There is an unnatural aspect to the informer. Her speech and behavior denies the United States national interest and the dependence of the government, yet she is also employed by the United States government. Most of us English speaking fans never bother to question Linda's odd behaviour. (Though I have, since her file 7 article http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=21 was the first one that I completed. I think she's a former student of Coburn elementary. Her behaviour fits the description to a tee.) In this website, http://www28.atwiki.jp/2ch_killer7/pages/31.html people have surmised that the Last level (Target Lion) of the game was alluding to China the "Sleeping Lion". I myself have never noticed that before, but I did notice that the Harman/Kun Lan scene at Shanghai was trying to show you who fired the Nuclear pulsars during Sunset. I guess it's something new that I need to add to the site. The East see's Killer 7 as a politically motivated tale, the West views Killer 7 as a religious allergory. (God Harman/Kun Lan as a commentary on Western/Eastern religion (With Garcian/Emir trapped in the middle of all of it), Ulmeyda's cult, etc.), religion just isn't 'unimportant'. So what exactly is the Western/Eastern commentary implying? The problem I have with the professed religious story arc is that I'm never given any clear concise answers of what the overall message is. It's what I call the Applejack syndrome. In Applejacks commercials Adults often grill kids asking them why they like "Kellog's applejacks". The kids usually retort with "We just do." Which is vague if anything else. To me Good vs Evil, God vs Satan is pretty much the Killer 7 equivalent of "we just do" The answers don't explain anything. BTW most people get the God/Satan relationship wrong since it's recorded in HIK7 that only Kun Lan is known as a God, not Harman. In this page http://www28.atwiki.jp/2ch_killer7/pages/60.html some people think that Harman has a silver eye (A theme from the Silver Case) & that he actualy tranmigrates his concious into other stock bodies/human beings. Which would perfectly explain why we have at least four Harmans. (Some of the posters also believe that Garcian is one of the orphans of the Shelter children policy & is possibly a host of Sumio. Who is a character that has appeared in every single Kill the Past game except Killer 7. I went into detail about the Sumio/Garcian connection at this thread forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=390&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=65" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=390&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=65 ) The entire transmogrification effect of K7 came from the Silver Case/FSR & the idea was most likely lifted from Shintoism. BTW I'm not putting you on the spot or what not, I'm just trying to prove a point. If you can't explain to moi a clear coherant meaning of the religious commentary in Killer 7 than it means that the religious plot really is just a distraction. Otherwise known as a red herring. (A distraction that pretty much did a good job, considering that most Killer 7 reviews that I see claim that the game would've been better without the politics. Which is erroneous imo since without the geo politics you'd be left with a game that contains nothing but random events.) There's a distinction that I need to make clear since most of us English speaking fans tend to misinterpret the word God. To the West, monotheism is the standard belief of choice. (I'm agnostic btw.) The word "God" is often associated with omniponent power & is often regarded as an all knowing absolute being or entity. The Japanese however, are pagans. Shintoism to be exact. When the Japanese use the word, "God" they are not referring to an all knowing omniponent entity. They are referring to "An image of a supernatural being; an idol." In Japan, gods are believed to be roaming everywhere. From the Guard inu statues in your front yard. (Common in Japan. Even I had them.) to even the remnants of the dead. (They believe that some individuals can become (A) god after death.) Note: Now the idea that I outlined above is something spiritual that I do believe is part of the plot of Killer 7. To them a god is more of a spirit/aura rather than an all knowing wise one. The kami, however, are not transcendent deities in the usual Western and Indian sense of the word. Although divine, they are close to humanity; they inhabit the same world as we do, make the same mistakes as we do, and feel and think the same way as we do. Those who died would automatically be added to the rank of kami regardless of their human doings (It is thought that one can become a ghost under certain circumstances involving unsettled disputes in life) http://www.jref.com/glossary/shinto_traditions.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto http://www.thefreedictionary.com/god 1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being. 2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. 4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god. 5. A very handsome man. 6. A powerful ruler or despot. If you notice when ever I talk about Kun Lan or Harman I always go out of my way to make a distinction when addressing The God Harman Smith. (I usually call him celestial Harman rather than God Harman.) Because imo Harman & Kun Lan are exactly that, they are just physical manifestations of an idea. Who interact with us as voices whispering to us in our head. People in the West seem to misinterpret the word God all the time, which is why I deleted all the god referencing at the Story- Catastrophe from the East page. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/cateast.htm#yak I was annoyed at how some readers misinterpreted what I wrote & they seemed to have thought that I meant that they (Japan) actually believe their Emperor to be an all omniponent being. When in reality I meant that more as a class distinction between commoners & royalty.

Also, the God Killer is represented in God Harman's, as well as Garcian's, ability to kill Heaven Smile. Of course, Emir loses this ability in the epilogue, due to all the personae spirits having escaped his third eye...but that's where the Golden Gun becomes important, possibly as a holy weapon like golden swords, etc., have been in mythology. Again what is the meaning of the scenes that you described? (In Killer 7 the meaning is more important than what we see or hear.) Is it merely to accentuate their god like prowess? Emir didn't keep spirits in his third eye. Read the 3rd eye wikipedia page that I linked to. The third eye being discussed at that page is the same 3rd eye used in the game. Emir's thrid eye isn't even really there. It's a physical metaphor like the Boss's snake tatoos after she dies in MGS III. The tatoos aren't actually leaving her body, but the tatoos do represent her soul leaving the Earth & being set free from her duties to the Unite States after Naked Snake kills her. Although most people in the West hate it when you bring up HIK 7, I'm going to again anyway... In HIK 7 it's said that the only reason the Killer 7 can kill the Heaven Smiles is because it was consession that was made when the picture of the world was created over 30 years ago. ("Picture" refers to the current status quo.) REPORT #23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the decision of the meeting, twenty-eight years ago, Japan's destruction was mentioned. So were the Heaven Smiles. And, of course, Killer7 . . . . Why are the Killer7 able to kill the Heaven Smiles? Because it was decided, in the beginning, all that time ago. The balance of power in the concessions, twenty-eight years ago, determined it. In Japan, an ambitious young man drew the picture. In the U. S., a morbid and nervous man cloaked in shadows did the same thing. Miss Jacob's results are merely tracing the outlines of the pictures drawn in those scenarios prepared twenty-eight years ago. However, the picture of the EAST is said to have been stolen by God . . . by Kun Lan. Now, the expiration date is closing in. The maligning of history is reaching its farthest limits, and it's going to explode. What will happen next? Maybe no one can say. Predetermined balance and peace cannot exist. I tend to go along with what HIK 7 says,because the people in Japan do. It's only logical to abide buy the outline that the creators them selves created. Not doing so would be the same as not beliveing that Superman actually died once. Simply because the comics when Superman died weren't translated into Russian. (What I'm trying to say is that one can't label a source of information irrelevant if the creators them selves designed it. Kun himself does use his God Hand. Obviously when he gives Matsuken his power/ideals/whatever. Kun Lan doesn't give Matsuken powers, he only enlightens him to the bigger picture of the world. BTW Kun Lan is not actually there. (We never see Kun lan in the game. Which is further shown by the fact that outside of the Angel level. (The angel level is pretty much irrelevant to the overall story.) You never hear anybody mentioning Kun Lan at all. Since most people can't actually see or hear him. Kurahasi & Akiba can interact with Kun Lan only because they're dead.) That cutscene stopped being reality after Matsuken killed the two old guys. What happened after that was probably a projection (The spirit world & the 4rth dimension intertwining with each other for a brief time.) of a reality that Matsuken believed to have seen. Note: The 4 dimensions make up the plane of reality that we reside in. It's been suspected that sprits & gods dwell in the higher planes of reality. Which could explain why we see so many super natural occurencs in Killer 7. They may have actually took place some where in between the 5th - 8th planes of reality. When Harman & Kun Lan interact with each other it's possible that they may be residing in the highest planes of reality, if they truly are supposed to be gods. http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view_article.php?article_id=57099 http://www.inner.org/string/string1.htm http://www.infinitebeing.com/0509/12dparts1and2.htm (It wasn't until I replayed FSR a couple days ago that I finally understood this concept. Which is also used in Killer 7. FSR just doesn't make much sense unless you played Silver Case before hand.) In FSR there's a woman named Toriko Kusabi who I suspect is also an astral like projection, since she only interacts with Sundance. The real Toriko Kusabi was possibly never physically at Flower, Sun, & Rain at all. The Toriko in FSR was probably her dream avatar.