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decoy- 01-30-2008

PS2 can acheive this by more loading and probably more jaggies, + filters(to giv CG feel). But screens giving evryone impression of prerendered backgrounds. We have to wait for trailer. So far as wii, check resi4 or resi3.5, it looks incredible, even the details and texturing is bettet than next gen games, yea i mean it, i am not talking about pixelshaders and plastic looks i am talking about use of real txtures and also not photo realistic textures(of deadrising type). But it depends on how they can use the wii hardware, if they can come close ot resi4 type, thn probably this ff4 isnt that hard to imagine. The first resi4 trailer still looks better than ff4. Three companies tecmo , nin and suda, it has to be flagship title. drunkee getting too excited over the suda involvement , though we have still yet to confirm how big his involvement is, whether he is even involved in gamestory. Or the old producer will give his story, and suda guys are just for making purposes. suda is good writer but horror stories are totally different breed , i wonder if he can handle it properly, and not convert it into psychological thriller.

KIRBY 7- 01-30-2008

Three companies tecmo , nin and suda, it has to be flagship title. drunkee getting too excited over the suda involvement , though we have still yet to confirm how big his involvement is, whether he is even involved in gamestory. Or the old producer will give his story, and suda guys are just for making purposes. suda is good writer but horror stories are totally different breed , i wonder if he can handle it properly, and not convert it into psychological thriller. I find it quite irksome how you use a tone as if I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I maybe blinded by fandom. I'm psyching out, because I know what's coming. It's just that simple. If anything I'd be thinking that I'd be the exact person who would know what's up with the current GHM project. This is GHM. The majority of the people hired at GHM were mostly former employees who also worked on the Twilight Syndrome games. Twilight Syndrome died a couple years after Suda left to form GHM. Hmm, I wonder why? Maybe it's because it was GHM that made Twilight Syndrome what it was. I wish I could link to the only English site that actually covered the extensive history of the Twilight Syndrome games, but the site is not up anymore. http://www.dreamdawn.com/sh/features/importing_obscure_games_page2.php All I have is a link to one of the movies. http://www.fjmovie.com/horror/t8/48.html Of course I'm excited, part-nah. It looks like Suda will return to his more straight forward Moonlight Syndrome writing style. Do you think that I just pull shit out of my ass? I constantly lurk at japanese ghm bbs, & ghm fan sites in order to get an idea of Suda's entire history he's had in gaming. Suda seems to be pretty damn consistent with the quality of his writing. The only reason he's finally known outside of Japan is because Capcom financed K7. Suda has written at least 4 horror games in his life time. (co wrote one Twilight Syndrome, directed & wrote two other Twilight Syndrome games, & directed & wrote Moonlight Syndrome.) Most of them well received, and no I don't consider Michigan as one of his horror games. Suda only got backlash from Moonlight Syndrome, because he killed off the entire cast. I've heard that Moonlight Syndrome actually got retconned 2 years later during Twilight Syndrome graduation. (That game brought everybody from Twilight Syndrome back, and pretended that Moonlight Syndrome never happened. Thankfully we have Silver Case which treats Moonlight Syndrome as the actual canon.) I was always under the impression that the Twilight Sydrome series were horror stories. They had ghosts & everything. One of the best Survival horror blogs on the net Chris survival horror quest. (The site is not up anymore.) even vouched for how great Twilight Syndrome was. If the final chapter of Moonlight Syndrome wasn't horror than please, do tell me what is? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubFccEI0LZM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AidEbcsIMzg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwc2KSi0mHc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY--tVVYmPc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDwVMvqpOg4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StgZtTXJm8M You're probably just going to write it off, because it's in Japanese. Well see this is why I'm desperate for some of Suda 51's real material to ship over internationally. That way everybody can be familiar with how versatile Suda's writing style is. Why do you think I'm so pissed off that the only experience people have had with Suda is K7 & NMH? Both of those games were satire. (Now k7 did have a good plot. One of the best imo.) Fatal Frame 4 looks like the best bet to show off his writing skills without the satire slant, because FF is a horror title. Suda is at his best when he writes (psycho) horror. I'm pretty sure that Suda is at the helm of the writing. I've played through all of his Kill the Past games (Except SC 25 Ward) to know when he's had a hand in the story. Lunar eclipse, memories, that's pretty much stock themes that he uses for all his games, and I've already explained why in my previous posts. Those themes were even used in Killer 7. They originally came from Twilight Syndrome. A franchise that he help co write. Moonlight Syndrome was a psycho horror twist on the Twilight tale. I'll eat my own fucking words if I'm wrong about Suda's involvement, but I'm pretty damn sure that I'm dead right. You can quote me on that ish. I already called it awhile back that Fatal Frame 4 would not be cell shaded, and look it's not cell shaded at all. Just as I said. I kept tabs on GHM (& looked into their history before they became GHM.) long enough to predict their patterns. (I keep tabs on them, because I run this GHM fansite.) I'm not saying that I'm psychic like Nostradamus. What I am saying is that I have enough knowledge behind the practices of GHM to logically conclude their movements. If Nintendo or Tecmo ever comes out saying that they hired Suda 51 because of his prestige from Twilight Syndrome. Than all I have to say is that you heard it hear first. Zen, you just have no idea how big the Twilight Syndrome games were in Japan. Tecmo is most likely going to give Suda free rein with the plot. I'm pretty sure that the folks at Tecmo have already seen what Suda is capable of when it comes to horror. I've experienced Moonlight Syndrome myself and that was my favorite plot from Suda 51. This guy is pretty versatile. FF 4's story will not be anything like Killer 7, & No More Heroes. Sure the psychological factour will still be there, but I can't really see how you could write a horror story without at least manipulating the human psyche a bit.

decoy- 01-30-2008

'What I am saying is that I have enough knowledge behind the practices of GHM to logically conclude their movements. ' you definatley have more info about ghm and suda himself, but we are talking about the maker of FF series , i forgot his name, and FF was always his brainchild. You know FF fans know him well , and want to see his next project, if he will just act as producer with some other direcotr and suda as story writer, thn it can(i am not saying it will) , it can piss off FF fans. If suda can bring really nice story with ff thn fans wouldn't argue , but what if suda will pull off same vague shit with references to past games. We are talking about FF , take me for instance. I have played all FF games, big fan, i am happy they are going with new arc new theme coz FF trilogy has ended , now they can bring up something refreshing. But i want to understand THE WHOLE FF4 by just playing FF4, i would be pissed if suda will include his lame ass shit connections to twilightsynd and fsr , and you know why coz we(fans of FF) didnt play TS and wont, in west ppl harldy had heard about it. They will feel cheated. I am afraid , suda will pull of his vague connection shit, it will please you but it can(it will to me) piss FF fans, who are just FF fans and not suda fan. I want to see story coming from FF series producer. I dont hate suda, he is taking risks , i applaud that , a real artist is one who take risk in industry like this its even more hard. But i dont want suda to give story on franchises like silenthill, re, or ff. I agree to TS is hit, FSR is hit in japan, but i wouldnt want fusion of suda mind into FF franchise. Or the producer of FF will make suda involvement subtle, just the narrative(not the actual core story) and game making, that would be fine.

decoy- 01-30-2008

or may be the scary ghost parts and stuff would be handled by producer and to add good story to it suda will play his part. FF is not typical horror, its the most horror game i have played its not re or sh type stuff. re is survival, its creepy due to level design which was missing in re4. Sh is psycho, but FF is real horror. Real haunting experience. No game will make evryoe happy, RE UC made me really happy but here som eppl didnt like it. So FF4 could with suda story make me happy , i doubt it, but i have been proven wrong in past. As i said i am afraid. If i considered you like a fanboy, believe me i would not be posting in these forums. I am here only coz you have some ability to give insight on most of the 'games'. I dont piss you intentionally, i can troll forums if i want. You can see how bad i am when i type, coz i dilike typing on net, let alone posting long threads. You have strong gaming background and understand gaming , much better than others, thats the reason why i post here, (though you knw there exist millions gaming forums( , thn why i would piss you off. There i cleared what i think ,next time, i wont be explaining, read into it what you will, thats all i can say.

venom75x- 01-30-2008

The resident evil series never really had a solid story. Well it was a basic one at most. As for FF franchise i have never played one of those games (i never owned a ps2 or xbox console). I'm sure there are many people in a similar situation so to me it doesn't matter i will still check this game out

mokoi- 01-30-2008

FF4 looks to be a really good game. More images: Pretty.. Where's suda 51?

kaxantrom- 02-02-2008

I always want3d to pick this up, either fatal frame 1 or 2, I never saw 3 at the store, now I don't see them at all xD cus I like scary games to me the scariest is Eternal Darkness, is so crazy and insane, I played other games like silent hills was good but that that much, Resident evil was kinda just killing but good, I'll try to find these copies to get ready for FF4

kaxantrom- 02-02-2008

FF4 looks to be a really good game. Where's suda 51?is cus SUda is like the second director of the game, and main director is the same of the previos FF games

venom75x- 02-02-2008

is eternal darkness really good crap i had a chance to buy it

kaxantrom- 02-02-2008

is eternal darkness really good crap i had a chance to buy itis cheap like 10 bucks if you fint it xD

Xed- 02-02-2008

wtf man ff4 sux bicoz it's on the wii and it's a nintendo console so it must be a infant game ehehehe I never played a fatal frame in my whole life, I have a friend who has the first three games, I guess i'm going to play them soon.

kaxantrom- 02-03-2008

wtf man ff4 sux bicoz it's on the wii and it's a nintendo console so it must be a infant game ehehehe I never played a fatal frame in my whole life, I have a friend who has the first three games, I guess i'm going to play them soon.I know it will have anime graphics like other grasshopper games and for nintendo kiddy :( *sight* jk xD :P can we expect some cameos like a travis ghost from Killer 7? that will pwn for real fans :)

decoy- 05-18-2008

Ok its confirmed suda is in charge of writing story and NMH/killer composer is doing music. What more? Game will have more western feel to it than japanese which actually sucks. One of the originality in FF was jaoanese folklore and myth based stories, the disturbing nature of rituals was evrything that made the whole setup creepy , now suda will only commercilize the stuff with all western touches, the feel i am afraid will get killed like condemened sequel. But again the trilogy was ended, they can start with new stuff for experiment, but you know again wii fans are hungry for anything , they just wasn average game now, so even if he game will suck FF story and FEEL wise ppl will make it hit for potential sequel in same western 'vein'. I hope it will be good, FF is one of dearest franchise. This is suda -*test*-('") ,hope he wont fail in delivering. And WTF with no new updates, no trailer ans hit this was supposed to come in summer still nothing, i guess slowmo nature of suda company is affecting the development, may be he is making other projetcs too, fuck one of my wish was to have nextgen FF , the FF maker shoudl have poed for nextgen F raher than delayed wiimote cameramotion fetish.

KIRBY 7- 05-18-2008

Game will have more western feel to it than japanese which actually sucks. That does suck. I was expecting him to go back to his Moonlight Syndrome/ Twilight Syndrome style, but I guess Suda truly killed his past. I'm starting to lose more & more interest with Suda games. (The games he has released after Killer 7.) I don't give a fuck what slant people would try to put it. Fatal Frame doesn't make any sense without the Japanese folklore. I was worried that Suda might turn into a Kojima 2.0, but he's starting to turn into something much worse. As some mothafucka who keeps trying to cater to Western audiences by dumbing down everything. (It's fucking annoying.) I thought it was ok that he catered to the West with NMH, but Fatal Frame as well? Damn he's fucking psycho. the originality in FF was jaoanese folklore and myth based stories, the disturbing nature of rituals was evrything that made the whole setup creepy That's basically what Suda's Moonlight/Twilight style was like. (& Silver Case to a certain extent. Even though SC isn't actually horror.) They were based off of mythology which in turn also gave those games a somewhat old school Megaten like feel. I must say, I'm shocked as hell that Suda is not returning to the Moonlight Syndrome style. I should've saw that coming after seeing him announce that the Black guy in NMH isn't Garcian. Which somewhat signifies to I that Suda is trying to drift away from his former "shocking" "thinking outside of the box" writing style. now suda will only commercilize the stuff with all western touches, the feel i am afraid will get killed like condemened sequel. This would be the part where I would argue with you, but I agree with everything you said in this quote. I'm sick & tired of Japanese trying to Westernize everything. Shit at this rate I highly doubt that he'll ever do another Silver Case style narrative ever again. (Parts of SC's plot revolved around Eastern spritual mysticism.) they just wasn average game now, so even if he game will suck FF story and FEEL wise ppl will make it hit for potential sequel in same western 'vein' The same can be said for almost every revived property these days. Look at Fallout 3. That game looks generic. Fallout is supposed to an electronic gaming representation of a table top rpg. Now it's been turned into fucking Oblivion with guns. Every game these days is getting dumbed down as hell, and it pisses me off. I bet the only games that I'll ever look forward to in the future are Gust/Nippon ichi rpgs, because they'll be the only titles that stick to the original conventions that made them what they are. (I hate Nippon Ichi strategy games, because they don't contain any strategy. The rpgs are good though. The Atelier series, Ar Tonelico, Mana Khemia, etc.) This is suda -*test*-('") ,hope he wont fail in delivering. I feel that he already failed. I swear Suda sure has changed a lot after getting established world wide with Killer 7. Why does he keep Westernizing everything? Shit, & I thought Kojima was a Westernaphile. (Is that even a word?) At least Kojima's story telling style is still basically the same. He just preaches more often now. Whereas Suda's shit gets dumber & dumber, & yet his plots seem to always be hailed as intelligent. (Look at No More Heroes) I know I'm talking way too much about the story, but suffice to say. Suda's games have lil' replay value due to the poorly implemented play mechanics. FF 4 won't do much to change that. (Or maybe not. Since I believe that Tecmo is handling the gameplay side of things.)

decoy- 05-18-2008

http://www.cameraslens.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1206748476&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2& This news comes from Games™ (Uk magazine, which gets a loT of interviews from Suda 51 apparently!). Here is the scan of the article. Here's what the article mentions: * Masafumi Takada is writing all the music - he is behind the Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles & No More Heroes soundtracks, in fact, he just gave a whole lecture on videogame music at GDC 2008! (You can read a summary via Destructoid.com here.) * Suda 51 is in charge of writing (or already has written) the story. * The storyline (still unrevealed mind you) may be more Western than Japanese for this installment of the series considering Suda's normal inspiration is american cinema & western pop music. From RE to Sh to condemened, evry game has western setting, only FF and kuon did it right. Fallout is making the game only more accessible but the setting , theme and world is same with even more. I would have not bothered if gameplay will be changed, but the whole setting and base is worrying me.

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