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decoy- 07-16-2008

It is:P http://youtube.com/watch?v=3qkjwZmYqyQ and also dead fucking rising for wii sequel :P http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=96227_DRW5_122_582lo.jpg the sound job looks good but have to wait for subtantial gameplay video and yeah that ritual dance looks creepy, not bad for wii no after all the shit games at e3 and yeah madworld trailer is out too looks stupid gimmicky shit

Xed- 07-16-2008

It is:P http://youtube.com/watch?v=3qkjwZmYqyQ and also dead fucking rising for wii sequel :P http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=96227_DRW5_122_582lo.jpg the sound job looks good but have to wait for subtantial gameplay video and yeah that ritual dance looks creepy, not bad for wii no after all the shit games at e3 Hell yeah, I'm glad the game is still coming out. It's the only Suda game coming out in a short time. I didn't find the madworld trailer very gimmicky btw, but it's still soon to judge the gameplay IMO.

decoy- 07-16-2008

the new trailer had kills all along , almost all of them were.... meh but yeah its bettert than nuthin for shit like wii

ferlanga- 07-16-2008

The new vid looks alot better, tough i still wish the gore was less like mortal kombat and more gory-anime style.

KIRBY 7- 07-17-2008

Why are y'all talking about Mad World in the Fatal Frame thread? Sure we always go off topic, but Mad World already has a thread of its own. and yeah madworld trailer is out too looks stupid gimmicky shit Thank you for saying what I always wanted to say, but refrained from doing so. A lot of folks seem to get annoyed of how I'm always spouting my negative opinion. So I've been keeping some of my thoughts to myself. Especially with Mad World. Although, who would've thought that my backhanded comment about sports games would be the straw that broke the camel's back. Hell yeah, I'm glad the game is still coming out. It's the only Suda game coming out in a short time. Suda's working on Mad World? Fuck you Suda. Damn when will Suda finally make an intellectual game for his overseas fanbase. It's irritating as hell how Japan gets the Silver Case/FSR titles, and we're stuck with same tired out Kill Bill gimmick that Suda keeps on rehashing since K7. (K7 was like the middle ground. It was both intellectual & retarded, at the same time, lol.) Note: FSR is only cool if you played SC first. Otherwise you'll have no fucking idea wth is going in the game. The new vid looks alot better, tough i still wish the gore was less like mortal kombat and more gory-anime style. MW already looks like gory anime to me. Mad world reminds me of God Hand, with NMH/K7 style over the top gore. Now Mortal Kombat gore is usually that retarded bullshit where you punch people into pieces and they magically have three hearts, 5 legs, & two heads or some shit. The only thing more ridiculous than MK gore is Fallout 3 gore. Mothafuckas in FO 3 explode like blood filled pin cushions or some shit. I bet Bethesda is laughing with glee at their retard shit for brains rag doll physics that they implemented for FO3. It's sad considering how artistic (but still grotesque) the bloody mess kills were in the original FO games. When somebody got shot up in the original Fallouts. Say by a Gatling gun or what not. They usually looked gruesome yet beautiful at the same time. The critical hit kills were like a work of art. (Whereas FO3's deaths are just comical) The kill animations in the original Fallouts would look a lot like vision's sig. Critical hit animations in Fallout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z49HZKCvZ_g Imagine how decent FO3 would've been had they at least gotten the critical hit animations right. (No, Bethesda couldn't even get that right. They didn't even bother to animate the deaths.)

ferlanga- 07-18-2008

Suda's working on Mad World Im not so sure about that

Xed- 07-18-2008

Suda's working on Mad World? Fuck you Suda. LOL drunkee, I was referring to Fatal Frame 4! In my post, I said that it could be delayed buy decoy said that it is still coming out in the 31 of july

decoy- 07-18-2008

i actually linked FF tailer and then commented something about madworld..it stemed form there

kaxantrom- 07-20-2008

dead rising sequel for wii wtf if capcom does not give a fuck about wii wtf there is something wrong there anyways fatal frame looks high five Now Mortal Kombat gore is usually that retarded bullshit where you punch people into pieces and they magically have three hearts, 5 legs, & two heads or some shit. lol Suda's working on Mad World? Fuck you Suda. Damn when will Suda finally make an intellectual game for his overseas fanbase. It's irritating as hell how Japan gets the Silver Case/FSR titles, and we're stuck with same tired out Kill Bill gimmick that Suda keeps on rehashing since K7. (K7 was like the middle ground. It was both intellectual & retarded, at the same time, lol.) Note: FSR is only cool if you played SC first. Otherwise you'll have no fucking idea wth is going in the game.I don't think he is working in that game but SUda like to do those style games he just want to sell games nothing more just look at no more heroes, those kind of games sell but killer 7 kind games sadly not

KIRBY 7- 07-20-2008

As for Mad World itself. I think it's going to be a tight ass game. I just don't want to see Suda waste his time on yet another over the top parody game. Btw, Tight ass julez sig. he just want to sell games nothing more just look at no more heroes, those kind of games sell but killer 7 kind games sadly not NMH didn't even sell. It may have sold more than K7, but practically every single game that Suda has worked on has sold more than Killer 7. (Save for maybe Michigan, which flopped just as badly as K7 did. Though K7 fared worse, because it had a bigger budget provided by capcom.) No more Heroes is considered Suda's best game in the west, but that's because he gave us exactly what we wanted in a game. (Incomprehensible plot, babes, excessive gore, mini games, free roam world still on rails.) While the above may not be what we say we want. It does show that it is what we clamour for when you stop to think about all the games that are popular these days. (We usually want epic plots, with epic plot twists, with a big epic world. NMH gave us all of that, & made fun of it in the process.) Anyway that's not what I was saying. What irritates me is that Suda keeps neglecting his main series of games. (The ones that started with Moonlight Syndrome & Silver Case) The last Kill the Past game he ever worked on was Silver Case 25 Ward. Which was released back in 2006. NMH seemed to be an extension of the Kill the Past universe, but Suda has gone on record & said that NMH isn't related at all. Although there's a new NMH audio drama out in Japan that actually contradicts that statement, because it seems to be based off of the Silver Case setting. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1151" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1151 I'm guessing that people in Japan didn't get the memo yet. (That NMH isn't related with his other games even though NMH seems to share the "kill the past" theme.) Which leads me to further believe that Suda was just talking shit when he said NMH wasn't related, and he prolly thinks that us Western fans are dumbasses. He leaves all his serious, mature games in Japan, but bombards us with his over the top bullshit that we claim as mature. (Although in retrospect they actually are. NMH & K7 have much better plots & commentary than most console games.) Course seeing how everybody slept on FSR, I could kinda see why he keeps pandering to his Western audience with his recycled Tarrantino witty one liner + LULZ Kill Bill gore shtick. My only concern is to finally have one of those canon Suda games released state side. That way more people would be able to understand what was actually going on in games like Killer7. (Killer 7 was directly inspired, & even references the setting of Silver Case, plus Moonlight Syndrome & FSR, because they all take place in the same setting.) The only Suda game that is coming to the west is the European translation of the FSR ds port, & sadly the ds game sucks. Stick with the PS2 version. I don't think he is working in that game but SUda like to do those style games Sure Suda may like making over the top violently retarded games, but IMO I think Suda only does that, because that's what he thinks Americans like. Personally the main reason why people believe that Suda likes to make over the top violent games, is because his two majour worldwide releases are K7, & NHM. Which were both over the top parodies. (Not to be taken seriously.) I get irritated every time I read some American article singing all this hyperbolic praise about Suda 51 talking about how his games are so mature. Yet the only thing they talk about is the funny one liners & the over the top gore. That's the common stereotype that most Japanese have about us Western gamers. They think that we only play games with overly excessive gore. I have no problem with over the top gore myself. I just feel that Suda is wasting his talent by constantly working on that type of shit. Leave that type of shit to Tomonobu Itagaki. At least Itagaki gives us games that actually have good gameplay. I only play Suda games for the inventive, & mostly original writing. I'm far more interested in his original surrealist settings that he usually came up with. Starting from Moonlight Syndrome to Killer7. His games Moonlight Syndrome, & Silver Case were also extremely bloody & gory, but it was usually to enhance the horror like atmosphere of the games. I was hoping that Suda may return to his horror writing style for Fatal Frame 4, but I'm not so sure about that now. Suda & GHM by extension seem like they're trying way too hard to please their American fans, by catering to the lowest common denominator. Killer 7 btw is overrated imo. K7 is cool because it's original, but I sometimes cringe when I think about retarded bullshit such as Japan influencing America through a goddamn elementary school that also doubles as a safe house for raising assassins to infiltrate the U.S. government. I mean come on, it's a fucking elementary school. I can understand the metaphor about how society shapes & distorts the minds of youth ever since the day they first enrolled into school, but no matter how you look at it. That's still ridiculous. Killer 7 is the middle ground. It appeals to both dumbasses & smartasses. The dumbasses like k7 for the witty one liners, & the whimsical gore. The smartasses like K7, because the game seems to be a vessel that relays trains of thought about relevant social & political issues in our society for the gamer to elaborate on. (If anybody was wondering. I'm both a dumbass & a smartass, but I usually fulfill my "dumbass" needs with dumbass games like dynasty warriors.) K7 is the game that introduced all of us, including myself to Suda 51. However venturing into his earlier games shows that Suda is more than just some snob who likes to make fun of gamers with his violent satire games. K7: Makes fun of games that take their plots way too seriously. I kinda wonder how a K7 sequel would make fun of a game like MGS4. It's kinda hard to do, considering that it's already a joke. NMH: Makes fun of gamers, and gamer culture. This guy truly does have the ability to weave & spin tales without relying on making fun of his audience. I want to finally see some dark Silver Case style offerings from Suda in the West someday. You know, games that actually treat the players as if they're grown adults rather than condescending & making fun of us like K7 & NMH do. I feel that this guy is wasting his talent on a field that doesn't give a fuck about writing. (Considering that NMH was made to directly make fun of the types of games that are popular with gamers in the first place. NMH didn't bother to come up with a plot that made sense, because gamers usually don't care if a plot makes sense. The success of MGS4's plot with its fans is a -*test*-('")ament to what NMH was referring to when the Travis & Henry kept making fun of inane plot twists.) _________________ Anyway enough about that. It's not like I hold Killer 7 to some godly undisputed pedestal or anything. I don't even understand why people keep thinking that I want to see more games like Killer 7. K7 was just a fluke, imo. It's just that I've seen how talented Suda's writing & direction are when used on something that isn't a goddamn parody or satire. I find it sad how Suda has yet to show what he's truly capable of to the world yet. Coz his "serious" games are only released in Japan. Yet GHM likes to claim that only Americans understand their games. Fuck them, & their bullshit. The only reason GHM believes that is because both NMH & K7 sold like shit in Japan.

ferlanga- 07-20-2008

Suda is pretty lucky, with Capcom publishing K7; where the hell he gets all those connections? Funny how working on K7 under Capcoms wing was both a blessing and a curse, his game became well known, hefty of publicity, however Capcom pressured him to release it early.

kaxantrom- 07-23-2008

america leads the world, all ppl around the worlds tries to copy americans just like the otakus try to copy japan so the gaming industry from america, all people care about e'3, so the games that lead the gaming industry worldwide are halo and gta, just these kind of games, and when these noobs come a see games like killer7 they don't like these kind of games. when halo 3 was released it sold more than any other western game in japan in the first week, I was like wtf.... what I see that makes fun of people or americans is gta and family guy I see them both as insulting the way americans live lol or no more heroes is a good example, but I was lost when you mention killer 7 lol I like to see killer 7 from a political point view, I lol when peple watch the vid of george carlin "american dream" and these noobs still say "Ron Paul for president" lulz I just think that killer 7 from the political point view is too much for all these army ppl who play gta or halo lulz and suda is doing what he thinks is good for him, if he does games and nobody wants to publish them out of japan wtf, he can not make a really good game for the american audience if the game is not going to be published, and he just want to be known and sell games so he can continue in this business it is like nelly furtado when she started singing he sang really good songs but her songs were not promiscuous or sex related, so she did not sell like what she sells now, so I think suda is doing what he thinks is best ............................................................................................................ as I said capcom is going to release a port of deadrising omg I wanted god hand NOOBS >.< now I am MAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...........................................................................................................

decoy- 07-23-2008

West culture always dominates evryones mind, probably the glamour and hype, but lacks substance always. Suda said once to make punk short games what he wants rather than business games. But he makes games for bussiness now, all the random swearing, blood and wackiness is just for pleasing western market to churn money. NMH reeks of serving western market. "Suda is pretty lucky, with Capcom publishing K7; where the hell he gets all those connections? Funny how working on K7 under Capcoms wing was both a blessing and a curse, his game became well known, hefty of publicity, however Capcom pressured him to release it early." As far as connections goes lol he arranges parties for others, events and shit and probably get the shit moving form there.Who knows we will et announcement of koji/suda or mikami/suda project announcement at TGS. Also killer8 mentions mikami as story writer and director too in final credits , so it kept me wondering always in WHAT space each performed, how many ideas and story elements are put in by kimami and suda respectively.

decoy- 07-23-2008

http://gonintendo.com/?p=49924 LOLed i told you wii sucks so are their creators, PR and evryone ehy all suck loved this comment Just shows that such game companies don’t really consist of gamers or people that care much for games at all. All you need to be good at is selling stuff and PR speak, not actually have an interest into what goes on in the field apart from that thing you need to press sales on right now. But hey that’s all good, because only people like us reading blogs and keeping up on industry news know about such PR slips. Not the people that PR is actually targeted at.

KIRBY 7- 07-24-2008

In terms of connections. suda & kojima seem to be the cream of the crop. I've seen Suda 51 hang out with big time japanese musicians, & indie bands as well, such as aural vampire. Hah hah, I think it's pretty obvious that Kojima got all these hot girl connections from his "homey" Ryuhei Kitamura. For example, Yumi Kikuchi. Both her & Kojima have played roles in Kitamura's movies, but never in the same movie. Shit, I bet you Kojima saw Yumi one time at a film outake, and was like, "Damn Kita san. That bitch is foine. You gotta hook a god up. Nah mean!? " So a couple days after Kitamura informs Kikuchi about hide chan radio, and one thing led to another & yeah that's how Yumi became Kojima's right hand hoe for both MGS 3 & MGS 4, lol. Seriously though, I think it's insane seeing all the celebs, & personalities, that Kojima & Suda are down with. LOLed i told you wii sucks I admit I was wrong all those years ago. I ate up Wii wii pr like shit on a stick. it is like nelly furtado when she started singing he sang really good songs but her songs were not promiscuous or sex related, so she did not sell like what she sells now, so I think suda is doing what he thinks is best You've got a point there. I remember discussing about Nelly to a friend of mine who's married to someone in the music biz. We ultimately came to the conclusion that it was her managers, & the pr who dictated Nelly's new direction in the style of her music. I just think that killer 7 from the political point view is too much for all these army ppl who play gta or halo lulz Most people assume that Killer 7 is American liberal focused, lol. Or right wing Japanese fascism, both of which are completely off the mark. (In both cases, american liberalism, & japanese fascism are an extreme minority. We usually don't take those assholes seriously.) K7 to me came off like a public forum that proposed many questions, but provided no answers. Which then lead to chaos & mis communication. Much like the actual K7 game itself. Capcom pressured him to release it early. Not really, K7 was late about 3 years. (It was supposed to come out in 2003/2002.) I think what happened is that somebody inside Capcom wanted Suda to alter what was already completed, because the original K7 game seemed to be a direct continuation of FSR & Silver Case. (FSR was made in 2001, K7 would've most definitely been a sequel had it released back in 2002/2003.) K7 is a world wide release, so your definitely going to have to tone down all the references to earlier Suda 51 titles. Unfortunately the connection to the original Suda 51 titles was so strong that we can still see semblances of the originally intended content to this day. (Mithra, the god of contracts. also the god behind the blinking moon actually appears during the alter ego chapter of Killer 7.

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