You bring up a strong argument. One that I can't ignore. So I'll try my best to express my viewpoint. There's a story or poem in the old -*test*-('")ament (the book of job, I think, correct me if I'm wrong) where the "devil," is depicted as God's prosecutor, and speaks with him as a good friend, almost as if he could be playing a friendly game of chess on a moment's whim. http://www.steliart.com/angelology_fallen_archangel.html Yeah a common misconception is that most people mistake Satan & Lucifer as one in the same. This thread at a megaten forum, goes into greater detail with that. http://www.popanime.net/megami/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=940&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=a2fd485120066e06c8e86ae335f7dd2c (Personally Shin Megami Tensei is the game that spends most of it's commentary on religious beliefs & doctrine. In Killer 7 the religious commentary is hardly there, but is used as sprinkles on top of a birthday cake.) I remember expressing that line of thought at one of the No More Heroes threads. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=498&start=0" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=498&start=0 I always saw Mundus as just some random Demon who was strong enough to rule his own domain. (Like Maelbolgia from Spawn.) Rather than an embodiment of satan or more appropiately Luccifer. Satan is not an "evil" entity at all. Satan is actually supposed to be god's servant who is the enforcer of "God's" will/LAW. Although Satan may look like a demon he is actually on the side of "god" (In other words he's a good guy.) People often mistake Satan for Louis Cypher "Lucifer the fallen angel". Due to how badly worded & revised the current -*test*-('")ament is. Satan is more or less like the Killer 7. he just does what god tells him to do. (Harman Smith directing the Killer 7.) IMO for the traditional view of God vs.Devil to take effect. I would have to classify God as Harman Smith, since he follows an established code of Law & Order. (Meaning that he only kills whom ever he is contracted to kill by the government.) Since Harman doesn't actually kill anybody himself. (In the game.) Satan would actually be the Killer 7 This is further established by the fact that the Killer 7 actually do rebel against Harman Smith & Kun Lan later on in the game. Kun Lan himself would be Lucifer, the misunderstood fallen angel Bringer of light In this story, the only thing really "evil" about him is that he hates humanity, mortal life. I always thought that Kun Lan just hated the West & their established Law & Order (Democracy) dictated by false pretenses. When Kun Lan tells Harman about the story of a young boy who had incest sex with his mom, & mutilated her body like Jack the Ripper. I always saw that story as a commentary of how we all have a Killer instinct trapped beneath the layers of our subconscious. (Much like how Emir Parkreiner was trapped underneath the layers of the Smith Syndicate.) All we need is a trigger to re awaken what was once lost. That boys mom coming on to him was what gave him true Illumination. Kun Lan considered it an Angel, because IMO Kun Lan see's it as freedom of the soul & mind. Undictated by the firmly established norms such as "A campus sweetheart", "MVP of College football", being a straight A student,etc. The boy in Kun Lan's story had everything that was considered to be the established norm of success & happiness, yet that boy was quite the opposite. He despised his existence & was unhappy with his life, until he found himself & reached true enlightenment. That he's a natural born killer. In this way, I think that the idea of God and the Devil remains relevant to this story without having to succumb to a "good vs. evil" cliche. For even if it may not fit our normal definitions, Killer7 has always seemed to help reveal perspectives outside our normal preconceptions. I can concede to that. Now, maybe the whole God vs. the Devil, good vs. evil, east vs. west thing and etc. are just red herrings or, worse, non-existant. To clarify I only think that Good vs Evil is irrelevant. The East vs West overtone is quite prevalent in the game since that's what causes the tension in the political plot of K7. (How East & West misunderstand each other to the point that is causes destruction & calamity for both spheres of the world.) Admittedly I didn't agree with the supposed "God Vs. Devil" until you & Punisher made it clear that God/Devil is clearly different from Good vs Evil. Although what I gathered from both Punisher's & your post is that "God vs Devil" more or less represents opposite sides that attract, & can't exist with out the other. Much like Yin & Yang. (I've always agreed with the Yin & Yang theory.) BTW I don't actually think that Emir's green eyes are irrelevant. They represent Clarity, much like how the 3rd eye represents illumination. I'm just saying that the way most Killer 7 fans ask these questions are irrelevant, because they expect to hear a linear story & rationale. That's just not possible, because Killer 7 is more of a reflection of the fragile human mind & how it is easily influenced by imagery, the common consensus, & the media. In other words Killer 7 is a channel to expressions of thought & ideals, & not an actual fable or story. See, when I hear "Red-herring," I don't think distraction, I think of a symbolic front for something deeper, something only hinted to at first. Actually I think the same thing, & I've made it clear that Killer 7 is actually referencing the games that came before it. (Moonlight Syndrome,Silver Case, Flower, Sun & Rain.) Although in my opinion Killer 7 is more about the idea & true meaning of the words "Karma", "Life", & "Death". Killer7 doesn't really have anything to do with a transcendent one who will awaken the world. With regards to Killer 7 as a stand alone product it's nothing more than a mere distraction, because the religious commentary flows in a circulatory nature rather than firmly established dots of info that form a straight line. worth considering why Suda used Harman as a christian priest/god and Kun Lan as the devil, if that's in fact what they are meant to represent, as distractions or fronts away from the deeper plot. Harman has more of an Hasidic Jew appearance rather than a devout Christian, but it's basically the same since they are both faiths dedicated to an omnipotent monolithic entity. Both religions also believe that THEY will be the only ones who receive rapture when the time of the apocalypse comes. As I said earlier Harman represents the Silver eye phenomenon from Suda 51's the "Silver Case" The Silver eye itself is a reflection of Karma from the real world, & how our lives are decided based upon our actions & thought in previous lifes. When one reaches true nirvana they will no longer have the need to reincarnate, because they will then be immortal. However such a feat. is nearly impossible in the first place due to the way religion is taught. We are taught that we will be rewarded in the afterlife if we follow the religious scriptures to a tee. The fallacy in this line of thought is that you're no longer a human being once you succumb to these religious modes of doctrine. You're just a mechanization who does what is told with little rhyme or reason. Most people aren't actually practicing religion, because they believe in it. They practice it, because they want direction & order in life. The problem is that nirvana can only be found within. Kun Lan represents Uehara Kamui from the Silver Case. If you check out the Cast page at my Silver Case page. You'll see that I have at least 4 people listed as "Uehara Kamui" including Kun Lan himself. Kun Lan represents the dead soul. A dead soul is some one who can no longer reincarnate. Their soul is trapped within the physical realm. Only to live on with the sub conscious of the mind. In other words they inhabit the minds & bodies of others. Most of which do not belong to them. The Silver Case has at least 4 or 3 Karma less souls & they are 1.Shimohira Ayame (It's rumoured that she has more power over the mind than even Uehara Kamui himself.) 2. Uehara Kamui (The horrific legendary killer/hitman who happens to be the sole basis of Suda 51's "Kill the Past" 3. Sayaka Baian She was originally a popular idol in Japan who committed suicide due to her increased anxiety that was cause by her lack of privacy. I made a Silver Case video showcasing all the cutscenes of this chick that led her to commit suicide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noT7pXOw2mg These 3 entities constantly reincarnate through out the entirety of Suda 51's "Kill the Past" universe In Killer 7, it's quite possible that Julia Kisugi was supposed to be an incarnation of Sayaka Baian. All incarnations of Sayaka Baian seem to manifest as young attractive women who secretly wish for their death due to seemingly minour inconveniences in their life. For Sayaka it was the annoyance of constantly being monitored & filmed. Solitude became an imaginary construct to her, because it doesn't exist in her world. For Julia she secretly wished to die, because her life became nothing more than a commodity. Being bought & sold to the highest contractor who wished to ultilize her assassin skills for political purposes. Why are they relevant? Why were they handpicked? That was actually explained in Hand in Killer 7. From what I gather it seems to be a reflection of the law of cause & effect. http://globalvisions.org/cl/swn/cosmiclaws/cause.html In other words, KARMA. I just don't see a meaningful connection to the dichotomy of God Vs. Devil at all. Well except for this assertion that you made. the "devil," is depicted as God's prosecutor, and speaks with him as a good friend, almost as if he could be playing a friendly game of chess on a moment's whim. That makes sense to moi. My only question now is, what is the statement that K7 is trying to make with the God/Devil dichotomy? Course I most likely don't understand enough about the Monolithic belief system to even see a meaningful commentary beyond the bells & whistles. (Regardless of the fact that my family actually does practice monolithic belief systems. I don't, but most of my relatives do.)

Maybe I'm just a crackpot artist, but when I create, I aim to make every miniscule detail worth something towards the bigger picture, that the true purpose of any important experience is not reflective of one instant, but the collective of all the sensory stimulation I can blast at you in the duration I have your attention. As a stand alone product, I would have to label most of the religious content as red herrings, because they don't actually conclude anything within the game Killer 7. It's just excess information, because the game itself doesn't bother to establish a concrete continuity regarding the metaphysical in Killer7. On the other hand, Killer 7 gets excruciatingly detailed when it comes to politics. Almost every single conversation in the game was a cleverly veiled debate about the human psyche & geo politics in general. The political side of the story leads up to two extremes. Destruction of a culture, or a world war. The religious aspect pretty much constructs how time is a circular motion, but it doesn't actually make or try to make a religious statement. The only meaning that I derived from the metaphysical presentations in Killer 7 is that "War/World/Time never changes". It's a constant loop that repeats over & over until the Planet destroys itself. The metaphysical aspect of K7 more or less just adds to the political plot of K7 rather than standing on it's own. However the "religious/metaphysical" plot of Killer 7 is relevant when you dissect Killer 7 as part of a bigger series of games called "Kill the Past" Kill the Past http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/killthepast.htm Source: http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/suda_answer27.htm Think of incidents in your life that you wished never occurred. Wouldn't you wish to erase that past from your memory? If we assume that the past is de-*test*-('")ed, if you kill the past it would cease to exist. Kill the Past revolves around stories chronicling around individuals who are in conflict with their pasts & the consequences that occur due to them killing the past. (Emir's Killer 7 facade being one such example.) The Kill the Past stories often take place in the same universe/world, but from different points of perspective. (Silver Case = detective & reporter, Moonlight Syndrome= school kid, Killer 7= Hitman.) Killer 7 borrows heavily from the Silver Case. Harman Smith would be the Silver eye phenomenon. (KARMA) Kun Lan would be an incarnation of Uehara Kamui (Soul's who can no longer reincarnate, but live on through the subconcious.) Curtis Blackburn's black market organs are the Shelter children program. (Sacrifice one's self, for the creation of another.) Heaven's Smile are the suicide killers. (Religious extremism) Iwazaru,Kikazaru & Mizaru are Sumio,Fyuki, & Hiseki (See no evil, Speak no evil, Hear no evil.) Garcian Smith is a combination of the above. Ed Macalister, who makes a cameo in Killer 7. Ed makes a subtle reference at Garcian possibly being a stock body of Sumio Mondo. "I remember all the faces of our guests. Including your bag sir." Bag refers to Garcian's weapon case. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/hotelfsr/hotelfsrsumio.html Ed Macalister is actually alluding to Sumio's briefcase, Katharine. (Which coincidentally happens to be the same name of EMIR'S MOTHER.) What I think Suda 51 is doing: The pattern that I've seen in all of Suda 51's "Kill the Past" games. Is that one, they all have horrible gameplay. Two, the stories for these games have multiple layers that all unfold one after another, but only one or two of the plot threads come to a close by the games conclusion. The others are either left open ended (Such as who is Toriko Kusabi from FSR, or who is Harman Smith.) Or resolved in a future title. (The whereabouts of Sundance Shot, What happened to Sumio & Tokio Morishima.) It's not fair that most of us can't experience the bigger story that Killer 7 is loosely affiliated with, but Suda 51 himself has said that he feels that the Western audience would not appreciate games such as the Silver Case, because it's too wordy, & not their type of game. Most of us Westerners in general can't stand text based games. (When I say general I'm referring to console gamers. Suda 51 is most likely not familiar with the PC adventure gaming crowd, http://www.adventuregamers.com/ but it's no wonder since the PC adventure crowd are also unfamiliar with Suda 51.) "Flower, Sun & Rain" itself plays more like Dreamfall than anything else. http://www.dreamfall.com/ (A game that is somewhat popular in Europe, but is merely cult in the U.S. Which further establishes Suda 51's assumption that gamers in the West couldn't care less about text adventure games.) I understand it's more difficult for us as westerners to reach past this imagery that, at first glance, seems so much closer to our own culture, and as such, we must strive to gain comprehension of those in the far east. Then again, is it completely fair to assume that Suda 51 does not have a similar comprehension of our own society? He does, after all, seem to be very attracted to American pop culture, I think. We should not underestimate him. Of course not, I never said anything like that at all. I lived in Japan, & I can safely say that Suda 51's sense of humour is Western in origin. He relies on dark irony & satire rather than slapstick. Just look at the dialogue for the game. There's no such thing as Trix cereal commercials in Japan yet Suda 51 is able to express the punch line clearly. I'm just saying that the main message is political in nature, and it was mainly reserved for the Japanese. Even James Clinton Howell (He wrote the plot faq & the English HIK7 translation) Has came to a similar conclusion as I. That the game "Killer 7" revolves around Asian politics. http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5772603&pager.offset=9 The Hand-in-Killer7 redraft has continued along well. I've just started the profile pieces. I'm more and more convinced that Suda Goichi made killer7 for a specifically Japanese audience. It has so much to say about Japanese politics and the Japanese end of JPN-USA relations following World War II, but its facts about America are shamefully incorrect. Some might say that it uses "incorrect facts" to establish the fictional universe as separate from history, but that only works insofar as the facts significantly impact the narrative's statement about our world. In other words, there's no reason to write a story about a world with a red sky, other than to call attention to the fact that our sky is blue. Otherwise, the invention is purely for the same of imaginative exercise. That's okay, but it's less mature than a conscientious manipulation of daily experience. With that said-killer7 says nothing about the state of American politics when it places our first presidential election in Washington State. Hand-in-Killer7 also says nothing about the American condition when it describes Garcian Smith as "born near the Mexican border in Miami." It's also glaring that Garcian would deduce Ulmeyda's location by the text on his shirt: "No one would wear a Texas Bronco shirt except in Texas." The tractor-straddling white-trash greeter also bespeaks of an ignorance of American demographics: "We don't get many black folks around here." There's only one way that a game so bent on making political statements could make so many embarrassing mistakes: it wasn't made for an American audience. By analogy... think about an astrophysicist reading Ransom's travels from Earth to Malacandra in C. S. Lewis's Out of the Silent Planet. Yes, the physics are fundamentally flawed, but the book isn't trying to cover space travel. It's using the idea of space travel to get to its real priorities. Likewise, killer7 is hardly about America; it just uses an idea of America to get to its real priorities. Although I tend to disagree with most of what he writes, it is true that Killer 7's story was specifically tailored for the Japanese audience. The main reasons of how I can see Killer 7 in a particular view point that most individuals in the West can not, is mainly attributed to I being knowledgeable about the form of politics that Suda 51 is criticizing. Killer 7 itself references Suda 51's past games Silver Case, Flower Sun & Rain a lil' too much in order for it to be coherent. I have a slightly better understanding than most of what Killer 7 was trying to propose simply because I own both SC & FSR. Hell Flower, Sun & Rain didn't make sense at all, until I got hold of a copy of the Silver Case. My understanding of K7 might increase ten fold if I ever get my hands on a copy of Moonlight Syndrome. (The origins of the "Kill the Past" themes.) Even in Japan some people are shocked that Killer 7 actually has overseas fans. At least from what I read in 2ch. The 2ch comments regarding the U.S. fanbase were directed toward this live action Killer 7 movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTqPVzpoMw (It sucks ass, but it does clearly show how devoted some fans in the west are.) I feel that Howell is missing the point of the first presidential election being set in Washington state. IMO K7 was just trying to show how the actual truth is quite different from what we're actually taught to believe. In some circles, people actually believe that the United States was originally a Theocracy that later broke down into a Democracy. Which is truth, who's to say? Our truth is dictated by what our history books tell us. Though Howell does make a good point with "and-in-Killer7 also says nothing about the American condition when it describes Garcian Smith as "born near the Mexican border in Miami." I can't rationalize that one at all. That ex. Howell cited clearly does show ignorance of the geography of the United States. Quote: I've seen a lot of forums saying that Harman is the devil and Kun Lun is God. And I have to agree. I've seen that too, though I forget the reasoning for that. It's officially established (HIK7) that Kun Lan is god, but I don't believe that he was ever meant to represent GOD as recorded in Western doctrine. Like I said earlier Kun Lan is more of a physical manifestation of the mind. A voice from inside your head. The more correct term would be "Tulpa" The belief of the manifestation of Tulpas are Tibetan in origin, and Kun Lan himself is of Tibetan extraction. Which further perpetuates my belief that Kun Lan is a manifestation from our sub consciousness. Kun Lan himself is more or less an indirect incarnation of "Uehara Kamui" from the game "Silver Case". At least that's the impression I get when I read from HIK 7 that Kun Lan (The real physical/mortal Kun Lan, & not the celestial entity.) is actually hidden deep underground by the United States government. This coincides with the la-*test*-('") incarnation of Uehara Kamui being detained in a correctional facility who later breaks out & is shot to death at the top of Sundance's FSO establishment. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silver/silverkamuiuehara.swf forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=206&start=18" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=206&start=18 Which later results in the divine spirit of Kamui to manifest in another seed that would later create an avatar for Kamui's physical being.

Okay, I finally uploaded my Killer 7 film edit so anyone can d/l it for free. All I ask is if anyone actually watches this, please leave your thoughts on my Killer 7 film cut somewhere here or PM me. Please also read the read me file I included. It should only take about two minutes to read. There are several files. One is Ending 2.avi, (the 2nd ending). A custom DVD cover I created using photoshop, and of course the read me file. Ending 2.avi can be d/l here: http://rapidshare.com/files/40024411/Ending_2.avi.html The DVD cover can be d/l here: http://rapidshare.com/files/40024414/Killer_7_DVD_Cover.jpg.html The Read Me file can be d/l here: http://rapidshare.com/files/40024415/READ_ME.html The actual Killer 7 movie has a running time of about 2 hours and 35 minutes. It is 1.68 GB uncompressed. It is compressed using Stuffit Deluxe 11 in a format called .sitx and is split up into 92 MB files for easy d/l. For those who have never d/l from rapidshare before, just click on the link I provided. Then click on the button marked 'free'. Then a new widow will pop up. Type in the four digit code the website provides. Type enter and your d/l will begin. You must have Stuffit Deluxe 11 or higher on your computer in order to open this file. It can be d/l for free as a bit torrent file for either MAC or PC and the website below: http://www.isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=stuffit+deluxe The actual Killer 7 file can be downloaded at the following address below: http://rapidshare.com/files/40029104/Killer_7.avi.part01.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40032626/Killer_7.avi.part02.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40036202/Killer_7.avi.part03.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40039384/Killer_7.avi.part04.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40042673/Killer_7.avi.part05.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40047444/Killer_7.avi.part06.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40053339/Killer_7.avi.part07.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40056380/Killer_7.avi.part08.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40059649/Killer_7.avi.part09.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40062990/Killer_7.avi.part10.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40066460/Killer_7.avi.part11.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40098461/Killer_7.avi.part12.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40102744/Killer_7.avi.part13.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40109415/Killer_7.avi.part14.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40112528/Killer_7.avi.part15.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40116864/Killer_7.avi.part16.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40122110/Killer_7.avi.part17.sitx.html http://rapidshare.com/files/40126039/Killer_7.avi.part18.sitx.html A trick I mentioned before in order to d/l the entire files faster is to log off the internet after d/l each .sitx fiile. Wait for a minute or two then log back on the internet and d/l the next file. Repeat process until you have d/l all .sitx files. Uncompress using Stuffit Deluxe 11 and you should have the Killer 7.avi file. As it states in my read me file I included, the purpose of this is for personal use only and is not to be sold. It's main reason of it's creation is so others can watch certain scenes again to analyze it and share their knowledge and opinions with others freely either on this forum or anywhere in the world really. I have a different file that has even better image quality but would be around 5GB so I decided to upload this 1.68 GB instead so people don't spent forever to d/l it. If anyone is visting Toronto Canada or lives here, I may be willing to provide you with a copy of my DVD version which has chapter marks and all with even better image quality. If you are interested, you will have to provide me a blank FUJI FILM Dual Layer DVD. PM me and we can work something out. Trust me, it's a lot better to watch this on your TV then a computer IMO. Enjoy!

Thank you for posting the avi's. I might download the whole thing later, right now my computer is very full and I have to back up alot of the data. I checked out the 2nd ending though. I had to put "www." in before the link you gave me to make them work, but I don't know if anyone else is having that problem. You bring up a strong argument. One that I can't ignore. Thank you. I always thought that Kun Lan just hated the West & their established Law & Order (Democracy) dictated by false pretenses. Well, one of the things that made me think of the book of job and all was the whole idea of a chaotic democracy versus a controlled authority. Inspired by a hatred for humanity, it would be natural for him to try and move control over the world away from humans (who govern with their own free will, a distinct human trait in the eyes of god... and catholics) into anarchy, where they are more exposed to the elements (governed by the immortals, god). What I'm not sure about is whether I'm reaching too far in saying this desire for chaos is just the result of what Kun Lan's true agenda would be, taking control away from humans, versus his agenda simply being defined by chaos itself. I'm not quite ready to give up on the whole God vs. Devil thing yet, but all I really have for now is guess work. The rest of your post I pretty much agree with. Also makes me wish I could play the rest of the "Kill the Past" series all the more. Atleast Silver Case should be coming out here sometime soon, I hope. Like I said earlier Kun Lan is more of a physical manifestation of the mind. A voice from inside your head. The more correct term would be "Tulpa" The belief of the manifestation of Tulpas are Tibetan in origin, and Kun Lan himself is of Tibetan extraction. I like this idea, it makes alot of sense out of his Tibetan origin.

Well, one of the things that made me think of the book of job and all was the whole idea of a chaotic democracy versus a controlled authority. Inspired by a hatred for humanity, it would be natural for him to try and move control over the world away from humans (who govern with their own free will, a distinct human trait in the eyes of god... and catholics) into anarchy, where they are more exposed to the elements (governed by the immortals, god). I think I'm beginning to see it with more clarity now that you put it that way. I had to read it more than once to get the meaning, & it probably still escapes me. (That's what I like to see.) Although anarchy would be the truer form of freedom at it's most extreme. Too much freedom is more of a cancer, because the average human being would be at a lost of what to do with their extended free time. (Which usually leads to crime due to boredom.) Which is why we need Law & order to keep the peace. Or at least the image, illusion or idea/dream of peace. If you haven't already I think you might want to check out the game Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne. http://www.atlus.com/smt/main.html The core plot of the game. (Which mostly unfolds in the Labyrinth of Amara.) Is centered around the conflict of Law vs Chaos. Some of the basic logic that was used in K7 regarding Devil vs God (I prefer to call it Yin & yang.) are discussed with much more affluent detail during the Lucifer/Caretaker scenes. (Though the messages are a bit cryptic. Like K7, SMT forces you to think.) I'm pretty sure that you'll enjoy the philosophical & metaphysical commentary in SMT since you were able to derive such a convincing line of reasoning regarding the relevance of Devil vs God in K7. One that I'll have to take into heavy consideration when I stop being lazy & update the site. Note: The only reason why I'm so strict with K7 story speculations in the first place is because way too many people formulate their ideas based off their own belief & haphazardly strewn together ideas (That come off as random as the game itself.), but they rarely ever present a logical deduction without bending the story a bit to match their theories. Once this happens,(It happens a lot all over the internet.) Killer 7 the game becomes nothing more than satire (The satire is directed at nonsensical video game plots.) making fun of it's own audience. (The fans who take the game too seriously. US!) I'm just trying to avoid that with this website. I aim to set an example that there was an iron code of logic used in Killer 7. It was just hidden under a multi layered surface. (Like Emir Parkreiner himself.) I'm not quite ready to give up on the whole God vs. Devil thing yet, but all I really have for now is guess work. Fair enough. All I have is guess work myself. Derived from the three games that I've played. (That I only have a loose understanding of. So I rely on my deduction skills.) While politically they are not connected. Thematically I do see a remarkable connection to the metaphysical plot. The official word is that it's just a coincidence,(coincidence my ass.) but many Japanese websites tend to group Killer7 with FSR & SC. http://beast.jpn.org/ghmfl.html http://gaskids.at.infoseek.co.jp/index.html http://silvercase.at.infoseek.co.jp/ http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/silvercase/index.htm http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/killthepast/article/30/#comment (Most of the sites that I wanted to link to are either offline or have changed the focus of their site.) So I pretty much follow what they do. Not everybody groups Moonlight Syndrome with the other 3 games, but I view that game as the origin. Since the first KAMUI that dies in Silver Case happened to be a character from Moonlight Syndrome. Note: The 1st Kamui who we see is Ryo Kazan from MS. In the ending of Moonlight Syndrome Sumio's sister walked in on a dead bloody body of Ryo Kazan. Holding a brown bag with a head inside it. (Like the brown bags in K7.) Ryo was sitting in front of a T.V. (Also like Killer 7) That contained images of Ryo's dead sister constantly (She dies in the beginning of Moonlight Syndrome.) trying to escape from the television screen that she was trapped in. Although I only saw the Moonlight Syndrome ending at youtube. (The video no longer exists, because the user who uploaded the vid was banned.) I saw a lot of concepts that were also used or borrowed in Killer 7. (Brown bags,Tv as a medium to the supernatural, The Blinking moon.) Also makes me wish I could play the rest of the "Kill the Past" series all the more. To clarify "Kill the Past" is a loosely affiliated franchise. Much like the Soul Blazer games. http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/quintet/quintet.htm Which is part of the reason why so few are aware that Killer 7 was actually part of a bigger series of games. Suda 51 himself talks & is questioned about "Kill the Past" AKA "The lost past" in this interview. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/interview.htm (It's an old interview from 2001/2002) The only time I've ever seen "Kill the Past" ever being mentioned in English was in a Killer 7 Youtube video comment by some Japanese kid. (I spent over a hour trying to find the video again, but I can't find it.) Atleast Silver Case should be coming out here sometime soon, I hope. Y'all are lucky. The DS version comes with both Silver Case, & THE SEQUEL Silver Case Ward 25. http://25ward.tyabo.com/ (That's a piece of the puzzle that I never played yet, because it was a limited cell phone release.) That's two adventure games for the price of one. (Though they feel more like books with some 3d environments thrown in rather than actual games.) I paid 80$ just to get the PSone version. Not exactly one of the best games I've ever played, but the plot, & character designs are original & refreshing. (It's also funny & bizarre like K7.) I myself would like to see these games finally translated in English. Just to see how many extreme laughable errors I made if any, when trying to present these games to an overseas audience. The concepts in these games are too complex for my rudimentary japanese to understand. I can only sparsely understand the games in a literal sense, but most of the metaphor's go over my head since I'm not affluent enough in the language. I like this idea, it makes alot of sense out of his Tibetan origin. I never actually saw that connection , until I decided to replay Flower, Sun & Rain. ( I always assumed that Kun Lan was a manifestation of the mind, but I didn't know how to explain it. Plus I had no idea that it was a common theme in Suda 51's games.) It never occurred to moi that the main character girl (Toriko Kusabi) was actually a spiritual manifestation who looked liked the daughter of one of the main characters from the Silver Case. (Tetsugoru Kusabi) It wasn't until I beat the game again & rewatched several key scenes. Involving both Sundance Shot & Toriko Kusabi. Ending http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/fsrendcut.wmv Here's some commentary to go along with the video I made. http://chobi.net/~clockwork-lemming/fsr.html I have no idea what he's saying, because I don't understand FSR on the same level as he does. (The people in the video are. Sumio= Man holding attache case called Katherine. Koshimizu= Male detective disguised as flight attendant Remy= Female detective disguised as flight attendant Toriko= Girl in white Sundance= Long haired Silver eye guy in a suit.) That I began to realize how metaphysical the entire game was. (Originally I thought the game was just being weird for the hell of it.) The scenes in question were talking about a woman (Detective Remy) who will speak to KAMUI (GOD), & "pull the trigger of tomorrow" (Kill the Past) http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/FSRSUNDANCE.wmv Remy= Girl in green The other Remy= A stock body inhabited by Kamui (GOD) Toriko= Girl in white Sundance= Long haired Silver eye guy in a suit. Sumio= Man holding attache case called Katherine. I'm rambling again, but if you watched the scenes closely. You'd notice that Toriko Kusabi herself has god like powers like Kun Lan. Especially in the cut scene where she blows up one of the airplane bombs & the airplane itself with just the pointing finger of her hand. I'm still not sure what the hell the airplanes rigged with bombs are supposed to represent. (I don't believe that Kun & Toriko have any relation at all. Other then both of them being creations of the mind. Which is why Toriko's friend Christine, happens to be a pink talking alligator.) Note: FSR was released before the 9/11 attacks. FSR itself has little to do with terrorism. FSR mainly centers around the human consciousness & how our actual bodies are just shells that serve as the home to our souls.

If you haven't already I think you might want to check out the game Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne. Alright, I'll probably check it out. From what I've read it has good gameplay too, always a plus. To me video games have always seemed starved for good plot and literary depth, it's difficult to find many games like that. I usually don't even bother looking, so it's always nice to find more games like that. Note: The only reason why I'm so strict with K7 story speculations in the first place is because way too many people formulate their ideas based off their own belief & haphazardly strewn together ideas (That come off as random as the game itself.), but they rarely ever present a logical deduction without bending the story a bit to match their theories. Ah, well I know what you mean. I've read the gamefaqs plot analysis. I've been somewhat avoiding the FSR ending topic under the very optimistic idea there could be a chance I could actually play it (something like both learning japanese and finding an available copy of the game in the future... as the game only grows older and more obscure), but I'll probably check it out. Learning as much as I can from the rest of the series should help my understanding of Killer7, as it has you. Playing Silver Case definitely should.