Final scene in Killer 7
The first time I played the game I noticed something that I think needs to addressed, or at least it's been on my mind for a while. In the final scene, after the 2nd ending depending on what choice you make is the part of Harman and Kun Lun. Once you shoot Kun Lun and he goes flying, Harman says: "You're awake from your nightmere". In the first level when Harman says this Harman says: "You're awake from you're dream". What does it mean? I do have a theory, sort of. Kun Lun says in the first level: "A new generation of children will bring order to this age". Or something like that. I've seen a lot of forums saying that Harman is the devil and Kun Lun is God. And I have to agree. When Kun Lun says the thing about how a new generation of children will bring order to this age, I think he's DREAMING that peace will happen and that the current generation of children (in real life) is the only hope for survival of the human race and that if they don't try and change the world we are doomed in the sense of either someone else blowing another place up or even the possibilty of the world ending. I know not a lot of people want to talk about this but that's what's happening in the sense of war, the environment, etc... Anyway, back to my point. At the end when Harman says: "You're awake from your nightmere". I think SUDA 51 is saying that Kun Lun (or God's) dream didn't come true and the opposite of a dream is a NIGHTMERE. I also think the ending's true purpose is to show people what it would be like if that were to happen in real life. I know it's only a video game but it still had an impact on me. Anyone else agree? Any comments? Please feel free to post. There are no right or wrong answers here only opinons.

Well, you do seem to have a better understanding of what Killer 7 was trying to convey than most. You are at least looking at the bigger picture, rather than trying to connect small fragments that don't matter. (Like why is Garcian grown up when he kill's Dan? Who are the Killer 7?, Why are Garcian's eyes green, and other such nonsense.) I know it's only a video game I wouldn't say that. K7 is one of the only games that actually had a relevant message contained within it. (Games like Killer 7 come out like once every 7 yrs. lol. The last ones I could think of are probably Deus Ex, & Fear Effect.) Some of my K7 related content actually gets posted in Asian political blogs. http://virtualreview.org/china/zoom/242482/killer-7-ending--japan-destroyed When Kun Lun says the thing about how a new generation of children will bring order to this age, I think he's DREAMING that peace will happen and that the current generation of children (in real life) is the only hope for survival of the human race and that if they don't try and change the world we are doomed in the sense of either someone else blowing another place up or even the possibilty of the world ending. I agree with everything that you said except with the whole dream of peace affair. For one thing, that's an unrealistic goal. Kun Lan does seem to believe that his ideal can save the human race though. Judging from Hik 7 & the dialog in K7 itself. Kun Lan want's to destabilize the worlds power structures through anarchy. He's trying to create a true democracy. For the way to freedom is through the gates of anarchy. "Anarchism is a movement for a radically democratic, and libertarian society." (I forget who first claimed that quote, but the assertion holds true to my ears.) Basically it seems that Kun Lan is trying to break us away from the control of mortal beings (The current religion's & "democracy" that are spreading through out the world) who have herded us like sheep in their effort to accumulate god like transcendence. It should be noted that most religions of the world have been perverted beyond belief, & most religions no longer resemble the original -*test*-('")aments that they were based upon. IMO religion these days are just a psychological tool used to manipulate the minds of the spiritually weak who seek solace in the promise that they will be rewarded in the afterlife. Note: In real life we have never had a true democracy or a true communist state. It's all lip service & nothing more. I feel that Kun Lan is trying to undermine the democracies of our world, because the current form of democracy that we practice are all based off lies & manipulation. (The secret that Matsuken exposed during Smile 2.) We are unknowingly giving away all our constitutional rights in exchange for supposed "increased safety" & "defense". In reality it's just martial law. Look at what the United States did to Andrei Ulmeyda's cult during Cloud man. It's like the Waco massacre all over again, lol. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/waco-a25.shtml http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html Hint: The Waco massacre & "Target Cloudman" both involved cults that had the capabilities to form their own city state or small country. As such they were both dealt with in a severe manner. Also another tidbit that should be known about the epilogue ending in K7. Is that Shanghai is the place of origin of the 200 pulsars that were directed toward Japan. This is what Suda51 calls the "eastern threat". The Eastern threat is most likely Russia,Korea, & China as they still hold animosity toward Japan. http://www.stippy.com/japan-politics/warmonger/ I've seen a lot of forums saying that Harman is the devil and Kun Lun is God. And I have to agree. Kun Lan is basically Killer 7's version or incarnation of the Silver Case's Uehara Kamui. Note: Kamui loosely translates to "Divine spirit". That's exactly what Kun Lan is. He is more about the idea that he represents rather than the being known as Kun Lan himself. Kun Lan is a god, but not thy omnipotent god of monolithic religions. People in the west seem to misinterpret the word God. (They seem to forget that most Japanese are pagan. When dissecting Killer 7 it's important to be culturally aware of the geopolitics & religions of Asia.) When the word, god is used within the context of Killer 7. It simply refers to an idol or avatar of an ideal. The image of Kun Lan that we see during the game is most likely a tulpa. http://www.tulpa.com/explain/tulpaexplain.html A physical manifestation of the sub consciousness. I'm certain that Kun Lan is just a celestial thought form, because in Suda 51's Flower, Sun, & Rain. The lead female character (Toriko Kusabi) of the game never actually existed. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/hotelfsr/hoteltoriko.htm Like Kun Lan, Toriko Kusabi was given physical reality through intense concentration and visualization. Her avatar in the 4rth dimension (The plane of reality that you & I reside in.) took the form of Tetsugoru Kusabi's daughter. (Tetsugoru is one of the main characters from Suda 51's Silver Case.) Kun Lan himself may have materialized in the same manner through the will of his own followers. Note: In Hand in Killer 7 it is said that the real Kun Lan is held up underground by the United States government in an insane asylum. The real Kun Lan is actually an old deficit man. The image of Kun who we see is of Kun Lan during his prime. I disagree with Harman being Devil. First off Kun Lan is the one who is being labeled as the evil of all evils. (Although after playing the game you soon realize that it was just propaganda.) If you played through Suda 51's earlier games you'd notice that Harman Smith is most likely a reference to the silver eye phenomenon. (Silver eye's are said to grant immortality, but in reality all they actually do is transmigrate your consciousness to several different seeds, & stock bodies. Which is why we see more than one Harman Smith. All the Harman Smith's originated from the same karma/aura of the real/original Harman Smith.) Go to the cast page in this website to get an idea of the broader world that Killer 7 is loosely related to. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silver/index.htm Go here to gain more clarity behind the logic of Harman Smith's Karma/Consciousness http://www.members.tripod.com/tathagata2000/enlightenment_what_is_karma.htm http://www.members.tripod.com/tathagata2000/cherry.htm (Those two links contain the same thought process & beliefs that I believe Suda 51 used when creating the stories for Silver Case,FSR & Killer 7.) Harman is simply just the opposing force. Or as Suda 51 claims a neighbor. I think the theory of Harman & Kun being Yin & Yang coincides with the plot of K7 more. You can't really label Kun or Harman as evil. Neither of them are good either. Ignore all the good vs. evil theories that you may have seen in other Killer 7 related message boards. IMO they seem to lack an understanding of the Eastern philosophy & geo politics that are heavily embed within Killer 7. As you can see from this website I also cover Suda 51's Silver Case,Flower, Sun & Rain, & Moonlight Syndrome. None of these games (Including Killer 7) have a supposed battle of Good, Vs. Evil, because none of the games actually have a set of definable good guys or bad guys. Suda51's games more or less contain a collection of individuals, the philosophies that they represent & the sides that they oppose. Good vs. Evil is more of an occidental concept that us folks in the West rely on to simplify manners. Note: In Japan nobody talks about a battle of Good vs Evil when contemplating about K7. I feel that's one plot point that just doesn't exist. The Good vs Evil conflict was created by us, the fans. I also think the ending's true purpose is to show people what it would be like if that were to happen in real life. I agree with what you are saying, but my question is What are you referring to when you say "that". My belief is that Killer 7 was basically a critique on Japan. The entirety of the game itself is a political metaphor. Killer 7 is saying that Japan needs to amend Article 9 of the so called peace constitution. Because if they don't Japan will be doomed to meet the same fate that they did in Killer 7. I know not a lot of people want to talk about this but that's what's happening in the sense of war, the environment, etc... Actually you came to the right place. I know what you mean though. It's one of the main reasons why I rarely ever discuss about Killer 7 outside of this forum, because most individuals are too caught up in trying to untangle the red herrings. When they should be contemplating about a future that's likely to occur in the near future. Martial law,anti trans communication legislations (lol!), false realities indoctrinated as the absolute truth,etc. I think that's also the main reason why the K7 SINdicate is still cult. Most K7 fans don't want to get depressed seeing all the gloomy affairs that we bring up. Most K7 fans can only comprehend the "wackiness" & the gore of K7, but not the big picture that it was trying to convey. (Plus I guess many get annoyed that I'm such a pompous asshole, but hey that's just the way I am. *I'm a thug in real life. As unbelievable as that sounds.*) As far as I know, K7 SIN is practically the only English language community that I can think of that actually does discuss the political climate of war, environment, media, etc. that was being referred to in Killer 7. Go here to see what we already discussed. forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=20" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=20 forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=534" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=534 forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=494" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=494 (Also the plot analysis pages in the website are all speculation based off the conversations from Killer 7. Many of which happen to be mirror images of what is occurring in our world as we speak.) There's many more threads with relevant information, but I don't feel like looking for them. Heh heh welcome aboard. I'm always here to lend an ear. If you wish to discuss more about the world's problems that were addressed in K7. IMO it's very rare to see an English speaking Killer 7 fan that sees the game in the same light as you do.

Thanks for the reply. It should be noted that most religions of the world have been perverted beyond belief, & most religions no longer resemble the original -*test*-('")aments that they were based upon. IMO religion these days are just a psychological tool used to manipulate the minds of the spiritually weak who seek solace in the promise that they will be rewarded in the afterlife. Note: In real life we have never had a true democracy or a true communist state. It's all lip service & nothing more I totally agree with you. I'm not to sure which religion to believe in anymore. I'm not really athesist or anything, I'm just undecided at this time. When I meant by Harman and Kun Lan being God and the devil I never said that God was a good person. The same goes for the devil. One twisted thing I still don't get is (I'm not Christan or anything like that) but why is it that one of the famous things God is susopse to do is forgive people, then why have a hell at all? I've never read the bible so maybe I should some time just as a reference point. I've never played any of SUDA 51's other games so I have no idea about the previous characters that may have been in earlier games. I think I need to re-watch Killer 7 to really express what I'm saying as there is so much to the story/message. I hope I don't get in trouble by saying this but I was so interested in the story that I recorded all of the cutscenes, including boss fights and a few other things and edited it together in Final Cut Pro and turned it into a 2 hour and 30 minute movie. I even put in both endings. One things for sure, Killer 7 needs to be watched/played more than once in order to really comprehend everything. I mostly wanted to see if anyone else noticed this line difference the "Dream" and "Nightmere" thing and to get people's opinion. I also agree with you about the East being a so called threat. I personally think it's going to be Korea, China or Russia. Just look what's going on right now. Another thing to add is one of the funny-est things I find is there was this poll conducted on who is the current scariest polictal power. Bush ranked number 1, The guy from Korea ranked 2 and I think Castro was ranked third. I also heard on the news yesterday (although you can never believe everything they say) but appearently the U.S. wants to install an anti-missle destroyer thing in the UK. Sounds sort of similar to Killer 7 with the fact that missles are what I think is going to destroy people. I'm a Canadian if anyone is interested. One thing I'll never forget is when the U.S. was in talk with the U.N. about trying to convince people to go to war, eventually they just said "f__k it" and went out on their own. I keep seeing graffiti and stickers around town saying: "911 was an inside job". Now I'm not going to say if it was or not but even though I want to say yes I don't believe it. I just think that the U.S. didn't think whoever did it was going to actually pull it off. I do however think that the different code alerts (high alert, you've all heard it on CNN) is just a way to try and convince the Americans that what the U.S. government is doing is right and to scare people. I really do. If security was really their top priority why not install state of the art technology at airports? I live in Toronto Canada. At the CN Tower they have a very high tech bomb/chemical security system that I'm sure costs a crap load of money but I personally believe it should be installed in major airports. Also, has no one thought of train stations? Not that I do this but if I ever wanted to smuggle anything across a border I would take the train. It's less secure. I've probably said too much. Actually this is the longest post I've ever written, but it's on my mind. One last thing about trains. When the bombs went off in London England's underground and their busses I was working near Queens Park, which is where a lot of politcal buildings are in Toronto. Near the end of the day I was forced to walk home because they shut down all subway's for many hours, and helicopters were literally flying over me in case 'terrorists' were going to blow something up. I'm not trying to sound negative but I'm living my life as if I could die tomorrow so I'm doing more things and enjoying more things right now then trying to save money for the future. Enjoy the moment and let's hope the world does change for the better. I've still have a few thoughts on some more Killer 7 stuff so look out for my posts for anyone interested. C YA!

good lesson ... if only my english wasnt that broke o,,o hey welcome Punisher! Would you share your Killer7 movie? or is it just on old tape? great idea btw. nothin to add bai

Yeah welcome Punisher! Thanks for provinding us with your opinions. I enjoyed reading them, and the replies. Just to state my opinion on one of the things you've talked about, is 9/11. I've reached the point where I can't read about the conspiracy theories, or whatever the gov. puts out, it mjust makes my head hurt. What I want to know is why the US didn't stop it from happening. I mean is we have the technology, we have the weapons, why the hell did it happen? Now I just might not fully understand how it all works, or what not, but I'm assuming our air force is powerful enough to intercept a 747 passenger plane, and take it out. Yes the people on board will be sacrificed, but wont the gov. honor them as heroes? That's all I'll say on that for now.

I totally agree with you. I'm not to sure which religion to believe in anymore. I'm not really athesist or anything, I'm just undecided at this time. I'm agnostic, so I do believe in the possibility of spirits,gods & the like. I just can't approve of the assertion that there's an all knowing omnipotent being called god that decides & knows all. To do so would mean that you are arrogant enough to comprehend what god is. If god is a reality than it would most likely be incomprehensible to the human mind, because we do not & can not exist with in the same density as "god." Pure energy can not exist within a human shell, because the energy called god would most likely be a spiritual consciousness with no shape or form that resides in the highest plane of reality (Which most likely contains little to no solidification if at all.) unreachable by most residents of the 3rd & 4rth dimension. (Our reality.) Yet the monolithic religions of the world have chosen to humanize such a figure. To moi that just shows a complete lack of understanding of how the world works. Or that they know perfectly well how the world operates, but they preach a simplified condensed version of the said reality in order to influence the minds of the spiritually weak. why is it that one of the famous things God is susopse to do is forgive people, then why have a hell at all? I never understood that either. It doesn't make any sense. If the so called god of monolithic origin proposes freedom? Why is it that the absolute one punishes you with hell if you don't do exactly as the absolute says? To me that sounds the exact opposite of freedom to choose. Especially when you see that the 7 deadly sins all happen to be normal behaviour in human nature. I've had many imbeciles tell me that I'm possessed by the "beast" or the "Devil". What ever the fucking hell that means... IMO "Devil" is just a word that people throw around to label anybody who is different from them. (Different as in a different set of beliefs & thought patterns.) I prefer to see the world as a whole. Rather than what was misinterpreted from some book that was rewritten by man's desire to surpass transcendence. I've never played any of SUDA 51's other games so I have no idea about the previous characters that may have been in earlier games They're in Japanese. So I'm practically the only person here who's actually played them. Emir has played Samurai Champloo & Blood. Akura has played Michigan. (The game is named after Lake Michigan & not the state.) However none of those games relate with Killer 7 in the same manner as the "Kill the Past" games do. Which is why I cover all four games in this website. Like Killer 7 you need to play the games more than once to actually get what was being presented to you. (In the case of FSR, you need to have played Silver Case before hand to get a piece of the bigger picture. FSR is like a sidequel of Silver Case.) The foundations laid out by Moonlight Syndrome, SC & FSR are useful in trying to piece together Killer 7, because K7 is loosely affiliated with the "Kill the Past" multiverse. I think I need to re-watch Killer 7 to really express what I'm saying as there is so much to the story/message. I hope I don't get in trouble by saying this but I was so interested in the story that I recorded all of the cutscenes, including boss fights and a few other things and edited it together in Final Cut Pro and turned it into a 2 hour and 30 minute movie. I even put in both endings. I've actually done the same thing my self. I made a DVD R. The problem about only including the cutscenes though is that much of the more relevant information in Killer 7 is contained during the conversations that you have with the spirits. When I replayed K7 the other week I was surprised to see Benjamin Keane alluding to the decision in Battleship Island that could alter the plan that was established over 30 yrs. ago through the law of cause & effect. In fact during both chapters of smile. Practically everybody is alluding to the decision you need to make regarding what to do with Matsuken. Hell to sum it up, K7 to me is saying "You're fucked... The governments of the world have had you believing in a lie & you can't do a damn thing about it. Even if you could, the most that you could do is destroy a country or two. (United States or Japan) Not really anything substantial enough to override the power structure of the world." I also agree with you about the East being a so called threat. I personally think it's going to be Korea, China or Russia. Just look what's going on right now. Here's a thread where I went into further detail about the "Eastern threat" that Suda51 referred to in the Brady games strategy guide. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=368&start=15" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=368&start=15 The consensus that I derived from that thread. Is that the reality of what actually is occurring in Japan is far crazier than what was portrayed in the game. I think Castro was ranked third. Castro is Cuban. He's only a threat to the United States, because his government is a living example that socialism actually works. Castro himself would've been killed a long time ago if JFK didn't botch up the "Bay of Pigs" scenario. (JFK was a conservative. SO it's odd that he would do such a thing. IMO JFK saw a "reality" that he was never supposed to see. So he himself was killed in Castro's place.) If you noticed throughout the United State's short history we tend to discriminate any & all governments who do not conform to the hierarchy disguised as "democracy" Yet at the same time we don't bother to teach our own citizens what communism,democracy,theocracies,etc. actually are. We have been conditioned to only believe in short blips of knowledge that get repeated over & over again until we establish the parroted fallacy of reality as fact. We repeat priceless saying such as "Dirty commie" "It's us or them. Which side are you on." We claim to be an independent free thinking society yet at the same time we seem to have more of group mentality than the Asians do. By caving in to peer pressure. "911 was an inside job". I won't even get on the subject of 9/11. I just don't know what to think about that situation. I've heard that many of the hijackers weren't even of middle eastern origin. Since dead men tell no tales it's easy to construct the identities of individuals who no longer exist. Lol! I was living in Japan when 9/11 happened. The only thing I could think of was "Godamn it. I don't care about some dumbass plane crash how dare this piece of shit interrupt my Yukie Nakama show." I also thought it was comical how so many Japanese artists were making 9/11 songs to commemorate the dead. Talk about trying to make a cheap buck out of petty emotionalism. The only thing that I'll say about 9/11 is that as a false flag operation. (If it indeed were.) http://ronpaul.meetup.com/52/pages/False_Flag_Operations/ It sure as hell did a bang up job of signing our rights away through the patriot act. It also helped propel the mandate of the New American Century Manifesto. (The document that Killer 7's "Yakumo cabinet policy" was most likely based off of.) Note: Adolf Hitler himself conducted a false flag operation (Operation Himmler) sacrificing the least desirable unit in his army. Hitler then pinned the blame on the Polish. Which therefore led to WW II in Europe. (WWII was already in progress in Asia & Africa.) I also heard on the news yesterday (although you can never believe everything they say) but appearently the U.S. wants to install an anti-missle destroyer thing in the UK. Sounds sort of similar to Killer 7 with the fact that missles are what I think is going to destroy people. I heard that the United States is planning to battle aliens with that tech. (WTF!) http://www.disclosureproject.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM Or at least they plan to concoct a false flag operation & proclaim war on an Alien menace. I sure hope that they mean aliens as in illegal Mexican aliens, because that's just straight up insane. The working class is being used for this inane bullshit?... The rationale behind the false alien menace is to convince the world to unite under one banner. That's some straight up fairy tale shit, imo. Seriously though, the way the world is now it's really hard to decide what to believe in now. Many laughable events that I once thought were impossible have now become probable. Due to the current climate of reality that we live in.

The rationale behind the false alien menace is to convince the world to unite under one banner. That's some straight up fairy tale shit, imo. LOL! That's fucking retarded. Can I say fucking retarded here? Oh well, that's really fucking retarded. I'm not much on conspiracy theories, my opinion is the only way to know if anything is really true is either be there yourself while whatever happens or get the info from a trusted friend, definately not the news. The problem about only including the cutscenes though is that much of the more relevant information in Killer 7 is contained during the conversations that you have with the spirits. I actually added some of them in my Killer 7 cut, mostly at the beginning of the game and a lot of them near the end of the game at Union Hotel. I think I'll start another topic as I want to focus on sme other things I saw when I played Killer 7, even though I find this topic very cool to talk about. One other thing about Castro and Cuba. I recently went to Cuba in June of this year because I really wanted a vacation, it was cheap, I like cigars and rum and also because I wanted to see what it was like there. I never talked politics there as I hear they don't like talking about it, but it's interesting to see what it's like there as I know I'm going to get mad responses to this but I heard rumors that the possibilty of free trade with Cuba to the U.S. is actually almost coming true and I think in a few years, maybe when Castro dies things MIGHT change. If anyone is interested in this topic I read about it in Cigar Afficinado. The current issue with the cover saying: "CUBA TOMORROW". All I'll say about this is that some of the workers I could tell really did not like to follow some of the set rules, while others just tried to accept what is going on and to just try and enjoy what they do have. I haven't seen the documentary "Sicko" by Micheal Moore but I hear they get some free medical treatment there and I hear from many people that it is one of the best in the world. Phew! That's all that is on my mind for now.

One other thing. Would you share your Killer7 movie? or is it just on old tape? great idea btw. Sure. It might take a long time to d/l though but I'm willing to share it through megaupload. Total file size uncompressed is 1.49 GB If I did upload this I would use stuffit and compress it in .sitx format as zipping it does not work on my computer or rar does not work as I'm on a MAC. When I upload it I'll send a link to d/l stuffit for PC or MAC as that is what you would need to uncompress it. One small problem. When I editied the thing together I accidently forgot to add the cutscene when Garcian and Mills are looking over the highway at night when they say the lines: "I can't believe we are desenseatised to this... - Mills" "Doesn't mean were not human... - Garcian" Or something like that. Other than that scene I think every cutscene is in there. I encoded it as an avi file in fullscreen mode and I also made a widescreen version in case I ever get a widescreen tv. What do people want? Widescreen or Fullscreen? I'm also very proud of how I editied it, so it would be an honor to see people's thoughts of my edit. I used a lot of the blue fuzzy tv screens for cuts/transitions between each scene that I think works really well. Also, sometimes the audio cuts out for literally a mila-second as when I did the transfer from VHS to Final Cut Pro there was some tape hits, which if you work in the film business you know what I'm talking about. There is also a line at the bottom of the screen. But honestly these are such a small problem that you barely notice it, I just want to say it before I upload it. Once I get one response of either fullscreen or widescreen I will start to upload it when I have the time. Either today, or possibily Friday.

I just took a look at my Killer 7 files and have come to the conclusion that I think I'll upload the fullscreen version as the widescreen is not really true widescreen and looks a bit pixel-lated. I have to encode my fullscreen DVD as I only have the widescreen right now as an avi file. I'll try and make it really good quality, but it might bring the file size up. My guess is possibly 2 GB. Check back soon to this topic as I don't want to make a seperate topic for the meaupload link for many many reasons. One little trick I'll teach you with megaupload. Because you can only download a certain amount per day a good way around it is after your maximum download per day log off the internet. Wait about two minutes and then d/l the next file, repeat the process and you'll get the file. Also try and d/l lateat night for faster d/l speed. I''ve gotten 120 kb per second from megaupload this way.

One more thing. I found my orginal file I used to put on DVD. It's 4.4 GB I don't mind uploading it if people want it but I need a sign as the avi file I have is really fuzzy and pixel-lated because it's actually a copy of the dvd which is why the quality dropped. All I want to know is if people will actually spend the time to d/l 4.4 GB worth as I don't want to waste my time uploading something nobody will d/l since it is kinda a big file. The actual file format is .m2v using compressor in highest qualtiy mode. For those worried that it won't play on your computer, it will. You can d/l the codec for it here: (IBM ONLY, MAC use VLC) http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Codec_Pack.htm Any response would be great, or if anyone is in Toronto area, PM me and maybe we can work out something as the orginal DVD I made is of very good quality. If someone did d/l this 4.4 GB file, all you would have to do is burn it onto a dual-layer DVD using a professional DVD program like DVD Studio Pro (I have a MAC, so I don't know what to use on PC) as it's already in proper format, or you can simply watch it on your computer if you don't own a dual-layer drive. Anyone interested?

I'm a dumb ass. I kept the orginal .m2v file but I can't find the audio as it's a seperate file. Looks like i'll have to re-encode the fullscreen version. Check back in a few days or so.

Woah,man you blew my mind! O.o Well,it's good to have a newcomer here who can think about these sort of things. I don't understand some of this shit! (I understood most of what you were saying.) But then again I'm a 16 year old girl surrounded by dipsticks. I usually have to dumb down my conversations. *sigh* To make a long intro short, it's nice to meet you,and I really like your theory. :)

I played Samurai Champloo too D: Great everything, HORRIBLE gameplay. Also hi new guy. I'd add to the theories and shit but its fucking 3 am over her and I'm feelign drowsy as hell, so it'll be for another time.

Once you shoot Kun Lun and he goes flying, Harman says: "You're awake from your nightmere". In the first level when Harman says this Harman says: "You're awake from you're dream". I never did notice that, I suppose I always assumed it was the same dialogue. I think you're on to something, though, and it deserves further study. Safe to say that Kun Lan's dreams took a turn for the worst. I've seen a lot of forums saying that Harman is the devil and Kun Lun is God. And I have to agree. I've seen that too, though I forget the reasoning for that. Certainly Kun Lan seems more ambitious than Harman, whereas Harman seems to be bent on containment of Kun Lan's aims. I do think the God and Devil symbology has merit, though I also believe that, if it is to be relevant here, our normal ideas of what God and the Devil truly are must be redefined. There's a story or poem in the old -*test*-('")ament (the book of job, I think, correct me if I'm wrong) where the "devil," is depicted as God's prosecutor, and speaks with him as a good friend, almost as if he could be playing a friendly game of chess on a moment's whim. In this story, the only thing really "evil" about him is that he hates humanity, mortal life. That's not inherently evil, but as humans we assume that our enemies are, in fact, by nature, evil, because of the threat to us personally. I've always been more fond of this idea of the devil because it is more realistic, less impacted by human bias. The whole zoroastrian devil of evil vs. the good of god is naive to me simply in its nonexistant nature in our own world. All evil believes they are doing good, all good believes their opposites are evil. It's psychology, not an ideal. In this way, I think that the idea of God and the Devil remains relevant to this story without having to succumb to a "good vs. evil" cliche. For even if it may not fit our normal definitions, Killer7 has always seemed to help reveal perspectives outside our normal preconceptions. You are at least looking at the bigger picture, rather than trying to connect small fragments that don't matter. ... It's one of the main reasons why I rarely ever discuss about Killer 7 outside of this forum, because most individuals are too caught up in trying to untangle the red herrings. Now, maybe the whole God vs. the Devil, good vs. evil, east vs. west thing and etc. are just red herrings or, worse, non-existant. However, I do not believe that justifies completely disregarding them outright, especially not with something as deep and thought-out as Killer7. Maybe Suda truly just wanted to distract those attracted to shiny objects and all, but I'd like to think he's above that. See, when I hear "Red-herring," I don't think distraction, I think of a symbolic front for something deeper, something only hinted to at first. I agree that the broad political message is far more important, but I think it's worth considering why Suda used Harman as a christian priest/god and Kun Lan as the devil, if that's in fact what they are meant to represent, as distractions or fronts away from the deeper plot. Why are they relevant? Why were they handpicked? Why does Kun Lan have such a nice suit? Maybe I'm just a crackpot artist, but when I create, I aim to make every miniscule detail worth something towards the bigger picture, that the true purpose of any important experience is not reflective of one instant, but the collective of all the sensory stimulation I can blast at you in the duration I have your attention. It's certainly possible that this was not also the aim of Suda 51 when he created this game, though I also believe that if it was not we would've had a much simpler game than Killer7, the kind most plots fit into using much more mundane literary devices than those I've described. Granted, the overlying theme deserves more attention than these small details. I understand it's more difficult for us as westerners to reach past this imagery that, at first glance, seems so much closer to our own culture, and as such, we must strive to gain comprehension of those in the far east. Then again, is it completely fair to assume that Suda 51 does not have a similar comprehension of our own society? He does, after all, seem to be very attracted to American pop culture, I think. We should not underestimate him.