I know that Sakura joined the FMD when Sumio got arrested, right? She was brought in to interrogate him? But where was she transferred from, then; another part of Ward 24, or from Ward 25?Her father was Daigo Natsume.
And I also think I read something about Tetsugorō working on a case overseas during the time of Ward 25. I don't think I've seen him in any of the promotional material, especially since he seems to be on his own missions trying to track down his daughter (how did she go missing, anyway?).I doubt that he's he's looking for his daughter during SC 25 Ward. His daughter seems to be back in Japan, being escorted by Koshimizu. http://sakugami.exblog.jp/3687122/#3687122_1 Judging from this blog entry, it says that Tetsuguro is actually living in the United States. Although I once read that he was conducting a case in the U.S. I've been trying to look up info about Toriko during 25 ward, but I can't find any anywhere. I just know she's in it, because I saw a digital man screen shot with her, koshimizu, Sumio, & Sakura.
I had originally thought that Koshi and Remy were part of the Ward 25 police, since Koshi appears on the Ward 25 promotional material, but your reference to ELBOW made me wonder if maybe Koshi and Remy are part of an international team working to expose ELBOW. Maybe that's also what Tetsugorō is doing. Of course, Remy did say in FSR that she came to Lospass to track down Sundance, which she and Koshi were able to do by the end.Nah, the plot of Silver Case is nothing like that. That sounds more like the plot direction for Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid. Silver Case is more like X-files. In the sense that yes conspiracies do exist, but good luck trying to uncover them. Chances are you'll never attain enough evidence to shut down the entire operation. Elbow isn't exactly an evil organization or anything like that. They just have a lot of influence, FSR is really the only game that you ever hear about them in. (Although they may play a larger role in SC 25 Ward. IMO Elbow is just another front like TRO/CCO.) In fact we actually meet the leader of the TRO/CCO alliance during FSR. His name is Kai Zaburo.
http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/flower/cast.html
About the evilest deed that Zaburo has done during FSR is that his son kicked Sumio in the nuts with a soccer ball.
Other than that Zaburo comes off as a loving father with a 9 to 5 job.
Course a lot of the plans that TRO/CCO is doing is humanely fucked up from our point of view.
I'm just saying that most of the people behind these plans are actually normal, law abiding people.
They're not like Sumio, or Emir who seem to have a few screws loose.
Maybe that's also what Tetsugorō is doing. Of course, Remy did say in FSR that she came to Lospass to track down Sundance, which she and Koshi were able to do by the end.It's correct that Remy & Koshi tracked Sundance down to Lospass, but that has more to do with him being a professional assassin, with actual followers than anything else. (This is one of Sundance's lackeys.) http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/flower/img/flower/f_mic.gif Remy's main purpose at Lospass was to shut down the mass production plant. Anyway Sundance was the leader of the FSO faction so he's definitely not part of the plan to reform the world. IMO, his influence was most likely ousted by the TRO/CCO, ELBOW factions because he had way too much influence that went against their interests.. (To be more specific it was the Hachisukas who made him lose his influence. Who are affiliated with the TRO/CCO. The Hachisuka control the 24 ward police force.) While Sundance is still quite influential. His clout is more similar to the type of reputation that Bloody Heartland has. Rather than it is to someone like Toru Fukushima. (I always got the impression that Sundance was as influential as Toru Fukushima during the 1970's.)
You say that the TRO is a techno group. Did they build the facilities on Lospass? Eleki and the large rooms underground are very technological.I suppose so. They seem to only have jurisdiction within Japan though. Than again Zaburo (The TRO/CCO leader) is actually staying at FSR.
Didn't know that one. Does that mean that Chizuru was actually working for her other brother this whole time? And Uminosuke was there at the TV Tower when the original Silver Case happened, right?She has a daddy complex. In her mind she was serving her father. Nobody knows that Uminosuke is masquerading as Kaoru. The only person who knew his real identity was Akira, who then told Tetsuguro during the Tamura cafe meeting. The info then reached Tokio (via -*test*-('")imony by Tetsuguro) who in turn incriminated his father who's really Uminosuke. (I'm not sure if Uminosuke was the son or the grandfather. It's hard to tell, because we never see him.) As for the tv tower, Uminosuke was the sole survivor of the tv tower. There was never an assassination. It was just a group of old men jumping some poor fool who had a silver eye. The men killed each other for the eye. Uminosuke was the only man who walked out alive. (Tetsuguro was there too, but it wasn't at the actual massacre.) We never see Uminosuke, nor Kaoru. They're only referenced during SC, just like Sundance. Note: Sundance did contract a hit, but his ace assassin was killed, or arrested by Tetsuguro. (I'm not sure which. It gets confusing with all the goddamn Kamuis.)
And Tokio also had his own silver eye at that point, hidden under the sunglasses. Was this given to him by Morikawa or cultivated from that hyena he had with him?I think he always had one. He's a Hachisuka. Morikawa has nothing to do with Silver eyes. Other then him screwing Chizuru for information about the Silver Case. (Their relationship started off as a ruse. Chizuru really does love him. I'm not sure about Morikawa.)
Also, I always got the idea that Sue herself knew she was trapped in a time loop with Sumio and lured him to the roof in the hopes that if he was irrefutably killed, the time loop would be turned off.Yeah, she is Ed's second in command. Damn, a maid would've been the last person that I would've ever suspected. Sue had a pretty good disguise.
Also, at this point in the game, there's something special about Toriko. She has stopped showing up after the plane explodes, and--with the exception of Sundance--stopped interacting with anyone but Christina (or maybe that other purple crocodile).That's part of what makes her different from everybody else. She's like a ghost. Some fans even claim that she's supposed to be a goddess.
I also thought once that maybe Peter Bocchwinkur wasn't really an alternate body Tetsugorō possessed with the help of his silver eye, but actually never existed at all. What I mean is that Sumio has forgotten his Kodai-life, and brainwashed himself to such a level that his mind would manipulate his senses to register anything from his old life as something completely different, which is why Tetsugorō became Peter. Unfortunately, his old memories were starting to break through after he got shot in the head, which is why first we hear the Investigation theme from the Silver Case when he's chasing that guy down on Marmaleba road, and then finally when he meets Tokio and can't hide from reality anymore.I love your explanation. I'm going to quote you when I make the Tetsuguro page. Unfortunately the official canon is actually pretty stupid. Funny, but stupid. Tetsuguro was actually wearing a muppet suit the entire time. He finally took off his mask during the plane, because his suit was getting too hot. Peter himself pretty much speaks to you as if you are Sumio Kodai the entire time anyway. So Tetsuguro & Sumio were probably conducting a case with each other throughout the entirety of the game. It's just that Sumio lost his grip on reality.
Anyway, the point I was getting is that Toriko seems like a normal girl throughout the first half of the game, interacting with people in the hotel like Maria and El Crasher. But then, when Sumio gets shot, Toriko starts talking only to Sundance, and Christina even starts talking to her. Now, at the end of the game, when Sumio has to get through the gate, the way is blocked by Ken and that purple crocodile. Sumio can actually talk to the crocodile, and if I'm not mistaken, it actually says something back. Does this mean that maybe, if you accept the above, these crocodiles are actually also people Sumio used to know from back in Ward 24.I don't think it's necessarily people from the 24 ward. Most of the people that Sumio knew from the 24 ward are already dead. It could be anything really. It could just be a voice embodied in physical form, it could be a person, or maybe even a talking alligator. (Course that's only possible when you're high or out of your mind. Sumio is the latter.)
Now that I think about it, if Sue's plan was really to stop the time loop by getting Sumio killed, it might have actually worked. Time doesn't reset when Remy and Koshi are on the island, and the things that happen during that time (like the Spice Shop exploding), are still there the next time the day resets. The time loop only came back when Toriko brought Sumio back to life and then personally exploded the airplane. So... maybe she's the cause of it all?As for Toriko, she's one of the reasons why I compare this game to Mulholland Drive. It's hard to tell which part is the dream, and which is the reality when it comes to Toriko. Much like Diane from Mulholland Drive. I do agree that she may be the cause of the pardox. RITZ says it's due to the heavy influx of silver eyes contained in the island, but I think your Toriko explanation works too. It gives Toriko's character more of a purpose, because suffice to say. I had no fucking idea what the hell her role was about the first time I played FSR. I didn't really get it until I realized that she had the same surname as the guy from Silver Case, and that it's even stated that Toriko is Tetsuguro's daughter in the official website. http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/flower/cast.html
Though it's interesting that he doesn't wake up with KATHARINE (or... ugh... Catherine) right after that and has to go retrieve her, but does wake up with KATHARINE at the beginning of all subsequent days. But then this could also go with the theory I've seen around here that there is no time loop at all, but all of the days are the memories of separate Sumios acting independently of each other (maybe the switch is pulled after he trips upon exiting his bed).It's open ended. Purposely ambiguous. I don't have a concrete answer to that.
I still remember the first time I read about this here. I'd been wondering what the deal was with the moon ever since I played K7. But anyway, the moon from FSR is actually a crescent moon, not a full moon, and wasn't it said that the degree of insanity from those suffering from the Moonlight Syndrome is directly proportional to the face of the moon? In the Clair de Lune chapter of FSR, the moon is only a crescent, and for the most part, people seem to be acting normal. In fact, the game seems to go out of its way to show you that the moon isn't full, complete with having to use the crescent as a clue for a KATHARINE point. But then Sue tricks you up onto the roof and Sundance shoots you in the face. Maybe the crescent symbolizes Sue's desperation for a tomorrow (or maybe nobody on Lospass is suffering from the Moonlight Syndrome in the first place).You remember that video I made right? There were actually two phases that I went into detail about. The crescent moon, & the full moon. Full moon leads to a loss of sanity or as MS, & SC call it, "LUNATICS". The crescent moon is when you start to notice strange behavior ocurring within the local denizens. Much of what you described in your post seems to be directly referencing the odd change in behavior that was influenced by the crescent moon.
This seems to imply that Sundance is several generations old, which certainly seems possible considering what the Silver Eye can do, but how does this explain Rits? She seems much older than Sundance, and also mildly suicidal (the scene in the pool?), and also without a Silver Eye herself.Sundance actually is generations old. He looks young, because he doesn't age. He could always replace his body with a new one. As for Ritz who knows, she's the one who tells you about the so called Lospass legend of Sundance & Hachisuka in the first place. I always saw her as a Harman Smith like figure. In the sense that there's more to her than what she lets out. Plus they're both wheelchair bound & have care takers. Ritz caretaker even follows you to Tokio Morishima's room. (Which was Ritz's role in the story. To direct you to Tokio.) I'll get to Noname's inquiries with my next post. This is one is too big.
I haven't seen all of The Departed, but I had seen pieces of that scene before. So for the most part Silver Case is realistic, apart from all the supernatural occurrences like Kamui and such.Yes, that's part of the reason why I like Silver Case. There's no crazy ass John woo shit going on in these games. Sure there are instances of the celestial/supernatural, but most movies have that too. Especially David Lynch films. A director who Suda 51 is often compared to. (With good reason their styles are a bit similar, especially when it comes to surrealism.) Think of Silence of the Lambs. That's the type of movies that Silver Case reminds I of. Though SC does come off as a bit cyberpunkish at times.
I agree with the moonlight syndrome connection. I still have the video you made of the Lunatics chapter with the MS references.Well, it's not like I'm piecing together thin strips of perceived connections anyway. Moonlight Syndrome actually is part of the Silver Case continuity. (Games such as FSR, & MS work as minor small scale events within the Silver Case continuity. NMH would've been the same if it were part of the same universe.) This page actually starts out by describing the events of Moonlight Syndrome & then eventually works up to the Silver Case where both Ryo & Rumi get killed off by Tetsuguro. http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar-Drum/2914/silver_01.html http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/flower/suda51.html One of your colleagues (Naketagawa) in Silver Case is tasked to solve the "Moon" serial murders (An investigation based off of the events from Moonlight Syndrome), but the case is erroneously closed with the conviction of the principal from Moonlight Syndrome as the prime felon. Naketagawa is never able to figure out what exactly happened to Mika Kishi, who went missing during the murders. Mika Kishi
The reason why nobody knows what happened to Mika is because Tetsuguro unknowingly killed the only two people in the world who knew what happened to Mika.
(Ryo Kazan, & Rumi Touba.)
Course nobody in the game is aware that Ryo & Rumi were even involved with the "Moon" murders.
They're not officially on record. Nobody else in the world (Besides Yayoi) knows that the events of the Moon serial killings were actually influenced by Mithra, who's a god.
Ryo was just a raving lunatic in Silver Case, and Rumi was the girl that Tetsuguro shot full of lead (He unloads a full clip into her.) when she failed to comply with Tetsuguro's commands.
Although Yayoi is still alive, she's not actually recorded as part of the Moon serial killings. Her sister Chisato is, because she was one of the victims.
Chizuru wasn't killed by the actual serial killer though. She was killed once by Mithra, and then she was killed by Mithra again after she came back to life just to direct Ryo Kazan to Mithra.
Chisato, & Yukari (Main character of Twilight Syndrome) were trying to get Mika Kishi (Main character of Moonlight Syndrome) back from Mithra, but they were both mutilated in the process.
Chisato is part of some paranormal bloodline, not that I would know what it is. (It's most likely explained in the twilight Syndrome game that stars her.)
For whatever reason, the CCO and TRO want to clean up the city and they know that the Kamui phenomenon can be used for it. Is it possible they would want to expand this throughout the whole country/world? I can't imagine them being content with one city.That seems to be the goal. Afterall the games do reference the nwo. Ward 24 is just a -*test*-('")ing ground. If it fails they drop the project. For the most part it's a success. Though I'd like to point out that TRO/CCO aren't some evil boogeymen. As I said earlier the leader of the TRO/CCO alliance is about as normal as they come. Kai Zaburo
http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/flower/cast.html
He doesn't pass himself off as malevolent at all.
Nor do I believe that he's presenting a mask of sanity like Yayoi.
I think Zaburo really is just an ordinary guy.
What I don't get now, is why would Sundance and the FSO send a mere civilian to take out some corp. execs?They didn't. Sundance did send an actual assassin. That guy was killed or arrested by Tetsuguro.
When I say that Silver Case is a political term. What I mean is that it is politician double speak.
The events of the Silver Case that we know are not the actual events of what happened during the Silver Case murders.
The story of the Silver Case that we know was just a cover story by the Hachisukas that made the FSO party look like a bunch of conservative hooligans. The Silver Case created the "hero", Uehara Kamui.
The legendary killer. (Some people view Uehara Kamui as an idol/saviour.)
By create, of course I mean fabrication. Like much of Fox news, lol.
In real life, much of our news is actually filtered to meet a certain "agenda "before it hits the broadcasts.
(The "agenda" is not necessarily bad, nor good. All that matters is that reality, and the purported reality are two different entities.)
Kinda like how we hear many different interpretations of the JFK assassination.
We have the official story which is spin doctored, and then there is the real story of what happened that only a few people know. What ever it is.
In the world of Silver Case only one man knew what happened during the night of the murders, and that was Akira.
Everybody else including Tetsuguro believed in the official report.
In my Silver Case page.
http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silvercase.htm
The first report is the official report known to anybody who has heard of the Silver Case. (Which isn't many. Mostly government types.)
The Tamura Cafe meeting is what really happened.
Man, I remember I saw a preview for Persona 2 in gamepro years back. It's style really drew me in. Sadly, I forgot about it. I'll like to find it now, knowing that it's some deep Jungian inspired game.Persona was cool. You even fought Swat teams & the nazis. Innocent sin had alien conspiracies, Eternal Punishment had the NWO. Both games even made fun of Bin Laden, two years before 9/11 even happened. That's how smart these Persona games were, and that's why I'm saddened to see how dumbed down they've gotten with P3 & P4. Thankfully there's Silver Case.
Did they plan on the execs going crazy for the silver eye(odd that a civilian would have one)?I think Sundance just wanted them dead, but he never imagined that some random cop would fuck up everything. It's not that abnormal that a civilian has a silver eye. Step has a silver eye, and he's just a normal guy. Course he's part of that kamui consciousness. Fujiwara Kamui is most likely part of it himself, because his surname is Kamui. (It seems to be an adopted name.) Besides the Uehara Kamui who you chase down during Silver Case is actually stuffed inside some woman's closet.
Her closet to be exact.
She's Ayame Shimohira.
It's said that Tokio Morishima is one of the lucky few who met Uehara Kamui & didn't die, but Tokio doesn't count, because it's later confirmed that the Kamui sighted at the mall during decoyman was controlled by Ayame Shimohira.
She only targeted females. She killed three women who were harboring (soon to be pregnant with) Kamui's child.
Note: The Kamui in the closet is not dead. Shimohira is the only person who Kamui is submissive to.
This is a picture of Uehara Kamui that was shown to Sumio & Tetsuguro back when they assumed that he was the same Kamui from the Silver Case.
And I think most of us on here where disappointed with the scraps of story that make up the final version of K7.I'm not disappointed with the plot to K7 at all, but that's because I don't view K7's plot as an actual story. I see it more as a game being told through code, cipher speak. You know the type of language that many business, & government firms use in order to keep their plans & transactions secret? I'm able to live with K7 as a stand alone game that works as a pandora's box of unintelligible code speak. That is if I ignore all the Silver Case allusions, Moonlight Syndrome references, & FSR/Moonlight Syndrome cameos. Most people can ignore them, because they were lucky enough to have never played Suda's earlier games. It wasn't until I played the Silver Case that I finally did start to feel some resentment. I think it's pretty obvious to anybody who has played Silver Case that Killer 7 seems to be an attempted retelling of Silver Case. It wasn't until Silver Case that I finally realized that FSR is connected, and that K7 seems to be (spiritually) connected as well. Knowing that early K7 prototypes used Sundance Shot as an actual character is definitely a huge disappointment, because I feel that he's a more interesting character than the entire Killer 7 cast combined. I then sought out Moonlight Syndrome to see how connected that game was to Silver Case. While the Sumio in that game is a different person. Moonlight Syndrome is definitely part of the same continuity. (Considering that the final chapter of MS takes place during the same night as the intro of Silver Case. It seems that SC takes place an hour or two after MS ends.) It's basically what a Silver Case game would look like if you were controlling a bunch of horny teenagers. In other words you don't really do much, except get taken advantaged of. What makes Silver Case unique is that you work directly for the government. You're not a hired gun like Travis or Emir. You're not a useless whore like Mika. You work directly for the people who are involved in these conspiracies. Which people? Who knows? That's why it's a conspiracy. This is type of feeling that Killer 7 tried to embody, but the only time where we know this for sure is in the HIK7 Jaco Checkbox documents.