first english trailer ...enjoy
Finally :P http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/20534

I almost shed a tear at "Suda51's Masterpiece is finally here". And i thought all those years ago that FSR would never see the light of day in the West. These next 2 months are going to be hell...

I love you. EDIT: this trailer makes FSR look like a hotel dusk rip-off, lol. MURDER AND MISTERY IN PARADISE yeah only two people die in this game and both come back to life (because of the NANOMAC... ah no this is suda 51). I think it right like this, tought. FSR is suppose to look like a generic hotel simulation / detective game the first time you play it I guess. This is not important tought. Because the only human beings on earth that will buy the game are on this forum and already know the true nature of the game, lol.

I almost shed a tear at "Suda51's Masterpiece is finally here". Too bad the ds version is horrible. The guy who did this port seems to have no idea how important the music selection was to this game. It kinda makes me wonder why GHM didn't just port FSR to the Wii. At least the Wii would've been able to handle this game. FSR was never good looking in the first place, but damn the ds port is ugly. The main part that pisses me off is the music. Can't wait to actually play this in English though. Maybe I'd understand the game a bit better. I doubt it though. FSR doesn't make any sense at all unless you played Silver Case first. Which makes me wonder why GHM ported FSR before Silver Case. MURDER AND MISTERY IN PARADISE. That's the way they advertised FSR in Japan back when it first came out in 2001. The entire game revolves around the mystery of Lospass island, and why time doesn't pass chronologically like it would in a normal world. Sumio's murder further illustrates the time paradox. (It's actually not Sundance's intent to kill Sumio. Sundance planned to leave the island using Sumio's face.) yeah only two people die in this game and both come back to life (because of the NANOMAC... ah no this is suda 51) At first I was like two? Then I remember there was another guy, Step. The guy who blew himself up. He has a Silver eye. EDIT: Wait a minute. Step stayed dead. Who's the other person you're referring to? I guess you're referring to Yayoi Hanayama. She never died. Her drink wasn't really poisoned. That was just a bad prank by some guy who was jealous of Sumio. (He's also the same guy who steals Sumio's car at the end of the game, lol.) Shit, it would've been funny if Yayoi actually did die from a spiked drink. Considering all the evil shit she was doing in Moonlight Syndrome. I'm still amazed as hell with how she skillfully pretends to be an ordinary person in FSR. _____________ As for Sumio, it was just his body that died. Sundance killed him to illustrate a point. By the end of the game Sundance reveals that him & Sumio are both Shelter Children. Which means that they are both orphaned by the Japanese government & used as resources for Kamui. All the Sumio's that you see behind Sundance are all of Sundance & Sumio's dead brothers. I think what happened is that Sumio transmigrated between hosts when he got his brains blown up. Toriko Kusabi herself intervened and manipulated time by pulling the trigger of tomorrow, because she thinks that Sumio is the saviour that she's been looking for. (As we all know Toriko in FSR is just an avatar for a goddess. We never see the real Toriko until SC 25 Ward.) An interesting point here is that Sundance invited Toriko to do so. Then again I have reason to believe that Sundance & Toriko are the same person. Toriko Kusabi is prolly just a split personality of his. The nanomachine comparison doesn't hold imo, because Suda 51 follows a set of rules & logic to explain why Sumio didn't die. Most of all it revolves around a time paradox, and the transmigration of the soul into an inhabitable body. (The Kamui God arc, basically Sundance, & Toriko are tying to bring god back into human form.) The events of FSR is part of the reason why some fans think that Garcian is just a stock body of Sumio. Sumio & Emir Parkreiner have similar histories. The main difference is one of them is based in Japan, & the other is based in America. They both have relations with someone named Katharine, and both were orphaned by their respective governments. Sakura Natsume from the Silver Case actually interrogated Sumio before she mades her first appearance in SC to replace him. One thing that stood out is tht Sakura claims that it felt like she was talking to two different people at times. Indicating that Sumio has split personalities. (Kinda like how Emire has split personalities.) Nanomachines in MGS4 aren't explained at all. It's just magic pixie dust that serves as a deus ex machina. The only person who comes close to being a deus ex machina is Tokio Morishima, but anybody who's played Silver Case before hand would already know that Tokio is actually a family member of the Hachisuka family. (Most of the chain of events in the Silver Case games originated from a conflict between the Sundance & Hachisuka families.) Tokio is not a deus ex machina, because his role in the story is fully explained by the time you finish Silver Case. (His sister's fiance left him with the notebook that contained all the confidential information to the Silver Case murders.) He only knows Sumio as Sumio Kodai, so his meeting with Sumio Mondo pretty much sets all of Sumio's priorities straight. (Tokio refers to a lot of events that happened in Silver Case, that only Sumio Kodai would know.) Tokio also said the magic words, Welcome Home. Which I think was a code phrase to awaken the sleeper agent in Sumio. I remember that one was used on Tetsuguro Kusabi during the Silver Case, but the code phrase failed, because Shinji uttered the wrong words. (So he got his ass shot the fuck up by Tetsuguro, lol.) Tetsuguro Kusabi himself was operating as an undercover agent in FSR. He masqueraded as Peter Bochwinkurr. LOL, Peter was really just a muppet suit that Kusabi was wearing. Sumio asks Peter if he found the person who he was looking for. Peter says that he couldn't find the person he was looking for at all. This is the part where he takes off his mask, and we find out Peter is actually Tetsuguro. Sumio's partner from the Felonies 2nd division in Sivler Case. Though Tetsuguro never says it outright, it's pretty obvious that his sole reason for being at FSR was to find his daughter Toriko Kusabi. Since he couldn't find her at all, it pretty much leads more credence that Toriko in FSR really was just a split personality of SUndance, or possibly a goddess avatar. If you're wondering why some characters in Killer 7 just don't die, it could be possibly related to the god arc of FSR & Silver Case. In Silver Case there were several people who were recognized as Kamui (God), but the real Kamui died during the Silver Case murders. I'd get into more detail, but fuck it. Just check up these pages for updates. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/sumio.htm http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/harmlun.htm http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/3rdeye.htm

FSR is suppose to look like a generic hotel simulation / detective game the first time you play it I guess. I think it be a whole lot easier if Suda just said that FSR, Silver Case, Moonlight Syndrome & Killer 7 are all related with each other. He already has pointed out the connection between MS,SC, & FSR to his japanese fans. I just like for him to finally confirm some shit in English for once, without the fucking cryptic vagues shit like he did for NMH. First he says that Erhmer isn't Emir, but then he admits that they look alike, and there's a special reason for that, but Suda's not telling. IMO that's like saying Uehara Kamui & Fujiwara Kamui aren't the same person, but yet they actually are. (Different body, but share the same soul.) Than again, FSR's plot isn't as epic if you already knew that FSR & SC are directly & chronologically connected to each other. (FSR happens two years after Silver Case. Silver Case starts the same night that Moonlight Syndrome ends.) So in effect I've already spoiled the game for the two people who actually give a fuck about this game. It's a Suda 51 game though, so you'll still find it enjoyable if only because the plot doesn't make any goddamn sense without supplemental knowledge from Silver Case.

EDIT: Wait a minute. Step stayed dead. Who's the other person you're referring to? Sumio got shot in the face by sundance and then came back to life, and ed died but he returned back to life too near the end of the game, I was referring to this two, I forgot about step lol The nanomachine comparison doesn't hold imo, because Suda 51 follows a set of rules & logic to explain why Sumio didn't die. I know, it was just a joke. It's a Suda 51 game though, so you'll still find it enjoyable if only because the plot doesn't make any goddamn sense without supplemental knowledge from Silver Case. lol well I basically understood FSR in japanese thanks to your posts and to the fact that I've played Silver Case. (I still can't figure out what the fuck happens in SC ending, but whatever)

I've already explained Sumio. It's the same reason why Harman Smith is dead, except he's not. (Silver Eye, transmigration.) Ed, I'm not sure if he really did die or not. Most documents I've read said that he just collapses. Then he conveniently regains consciousness during the final level to greet Sumio out of FSR. Ed prolly got tired of Sumio asking about his goddamn breakfast, that Ed never actually gives him. So he feigned injury, lol. I know, it was just a joke. The comparison to Kojima's nanomachines implies that the deaths in FSR were random & nonsensical. Which is is incorrect imo. It's heavily implied that much of what we perceive in FSR is of surreal like nature. A lot of people in the game have no idea if what they are experiencing is just a dream or reality. When we die in dreams, we usually wake up perfectly fine. That's exactly how FSR tries to play off Sumio's death when he wakes up in his bed.

BTW. We know that both SC and FSR on the ds will flop, but why the fuck did they release FSR first? At least SC looks "mature" ("mature" for the casual gamer who wants BIG GUNS and BLOOD and NAKED WOMEN because they are so manly that they don't bother playing games for all the sex they have), FSR to a casual gamer looks like a kid game. So I guess that if they released SC first, the sales would have been a little better. And it would have better also for the fact that you can't figure out what the fuck is FSR about if you don't know Silver Case. I mean, look at the final plot twist with tetsugoro. How do you understeand it if you don't even know who the fuck tetsugoro is? LOL

Oh, I had an idea. The ds port is ass ugly and we all know this. But with the english translation of the ds port, someone (not me, lol, i still have to find someone else who knows japanese to translate MS) could do an english patch for the ps2 game. It would ROCK.

As it stands, the only way to get the true experience imo is to play the PS2 version. I've only played the first 3 levels in the DS port, and man. There's a lot of shit in that game. Where I'm like why the fuck did they even bother? I was ok with the ds port at first because I thought it was going to add story details from K7 & NMH, with a possible appearance by Emir Parkreiner, but no they didn't even do that. The extras in the ds port are all fucking worthless. FSR is one of those shitty games that you play for the story, not its bells & whistles. ________________ Anyway back to FSR SPOILERS AHEAD! The reason Sumio isn't dead is because he is only one personae of the singular whole known as Kamui (God). Sumio & Sundance are both seeds (They're like sleeper agents) who share joint ownership to this personality. (They are not the only ones in the world who share ownership to this persona.) Sumio is merely one essence of this character. It reminds of that one saying where we say that god is within all of us. Sundance secedes his role during the ending, and lets Sumio carry on with his life so he can plant the seeds of the following generation of their kind. (Although Sundance was originally planning to leave the island himself & ditch Sumio at FSR when it exploded, lol.) Sundance claims that only Sumio has survived. (I have no idea what this means, because Sundance was clearly seen in the Killer 7 prototypes, playing his usual mind games with Dan Smith.) Step was another seed who shared the same essence that Sumio & Sundance embodied. It's said that Step was a man who controlled Sumio's destiny. (Step is the guy who blew himself up while trying to steal Sumio's Katherine after Sumio died. According to the ending I guess it's implied that Step's essence went back to the original Kamui consciousness.) During the final mission. Sumio Mondo inquires Ed if he is the terrorist. Ed explains that Lospass island is an artificial island. Ed, Sue & that Rastafarian guy are the administrators of Lospass. Ed's job is to carefully survey the activities, receipts, & payments of everybody who visits & leaves Lospass island. There's a section of Lospass (Battery island) that serves as an underground facility which cultivates a rare breed of hyenas who are born with the silver eyes. These eyes are said to activate life. Lospass island exists under management by the lead organization of advanced nations. Lospass was chosen to be located at a strip of land where the ecosystem has already been destroyed in order to escape the eyes of international animal rights groups. Lospass island is located somewhere within the archipelagos of Micronesia. When Ed was made fully aware of the man made nature of Lospass. He began to devise plans to destroy Lospass while remaining cloak and dagger. This is when he made a request to Sumio Mondo to diffuse the bombs. The bombs were originally intended for Lospass, but in order to prevent Lospass from being destroyed. The terrorists transported each of the bombs to the airport and planted them on the airplanes. The airplanes would then detonate inside the airplanes away from Lospass resort. So in a sense the terrorists were trying to stop Ed from blowing up lospass. We never actually see the terrorists, but I believe that Stephan Charbonie was one of them. (He's the journalist who poisons Yayoi's drink, and steals Sumio's car.) I think the the rest of the terrorists died inside the plane bombs. Another tidbit about Ed is that he can't tell whether or not Sumio mondo is who he says he is, or if he is just Sundance Shot. (Kinda like how he assumes that Sumio & Emir are the same person. I'm guessing that Emir was supposed to be part of the shelter children project in an earlier K7 draft.) Sumio is neither. He's Sumio Kodai. Sumio is like one of those typical detectives who eventually forgot their identity after masquerading as someone else for so long. The man Sumio Mondo never existed until Sumio took his first step to Lospass island. The existence of Sumio Mondo disappears once he leaves Lospass island. One could say that the entirety of the events in FSR were all just one grand rpg. (By role playing I'm referring to real life role playing games.) There's some commentary somewhere that maybe Sumio was just playing games with himself the whole time, lol. When Sundance shows up to the airport as Sumio Mondo, Toriko comes in & starts saying some weird ass shit to Sundance. "You are who." "Me, there was no I." "I am not myself. " "I thought you were Kamui." "Who is Kamui?" "I mistook you for him, this is painful , that God (Kamui)� "I am the weapon?�" "I came because of this. Me, well somebody rescue me?" "I have not been myself. What should I do?" "Alright, those who will release you have returned." "My father's friend. This is the moment when my saviour has arrived. I'll wait a little while longer and..." Yeah, I never know what the fuck she's talking about either. I guess Toriko was stuck inside some kind of transitory state like Mika Kishi in Moonlight Sydrome. That's the last time we see Toriko in FSR. We see her again in Sumio's chapter during SC 25 Ward. Note: I'm not even sure how accurate the above is. I'd like to point out that Toriko always speaks in fragmented dialogue.) _____________ Epilogue The report this is the scene when the user interface is made to resemble a Silver Case game. The administrative illegal autonomous region of the Micronesian archipelago. Which happened to be where Lospass island was located. Has finished its role as an enormous mass production factory of hyena cultivation. (They cultivate a specific breed for their eyes.) They have been successful in concealing the silver eyes of Lospass island. Through the aid of a man named Tokio Morishima who hid the figure of the hyena. The worldwide prominent underground organization of advanced nations 'ELBOW' has sense commenced the next step in the mass production plan, and has cut off all activity in the island. Lospass & Elbow's chief operating officer Ed McAllister both went simultaneously missing. (Ed Macalister is a government patsy.) One long day of Mondo Sumio ends, and a brand new day of Kodai Sumio begins. ______________________-- Ah man this shit is taking longer than I thought. I think I really will just post this ish at the website. I wanted to get into the time paradox shit that they get into during the Kill the Past chapter, but I already spent like an hour or two just trying to jot this shit down.

That's a lot of information to absorb there. I have a question about silver case:who do you play as? I was under the assumption you play as Tetsugoro for the most part. But from what you described, are you actually Kamui or just another stock like Sumio/Sundance? I'm glad to see FSR finally in English, so there can be better discussion. Too bad it's probably going to take a while for SC.

You should see how in depth most japanese Silver Case fan sites get. Side B spoilers http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/silvercase/chocolate.htm Side A basics http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/silvercase/SilverSideA.htm http://3.csx.jp/ungus/silver/index.html http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar-Drum/2914/silver_structure.html This was the best site, but it's gone now. http://25ward.tyabo.com/ I have a question about silver case:who do you play as? I was under the assumption you play as Tetsugoro for the most part. But from what you described, are you actually Kamui or just another stock like Sumio/Sundance? Correct, I guess... You control two characters actually. You play as yourself during the transmitter cases. (His default name is Akira.) http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/killthecast.htm I think you're just another stock. IMO, it doesn't matter. I think that was meant to be a retarded breaking of the 4rth wall moment. Considering that we never see Akira again. Akira is basically a typical mute protagonist. Well, not really a protagonist. He's more like an observer. The detectives who are under the pay roll of the CCO party such as Tetsuguro, Sumio, Sakura, Chizuru, Morikawa, Nakatagawa, & Shinji feel more like the true protagonists for the original Silver Case game. That is until Tetsuguro murders Morikawa for the SC confidential documents, and Sakura shoots Chizuru's forehead & heart. Nakatagawa is killed for being a double agent, Shinji is killed because he uttered the wrong code phrase. Even then Tetsuguro was prolly going to kill him anyway because Shinji is a perverted corrupt bastard. (Tetsuguro has a daughter himself. I assume that this is why the Sayaka Baian voyeurism scandal bothers him so much.) The other character who you play as is Tokio Morishima, the reporter of the placebo reports. You're basically playing through two stories at the same time. In Transmitter you merely observe the events unfold as you help out Tetsuguro & Sumio solve cases. You sometimes work along side Morikawa, & Chizuru. You trade partners a lot, because you're a transferred officer from the TRO allied Republic Peace Special Forces. You were the only survivor when Uehara Kamui escaped asylum during decoyman, & attacked your unit. So you were transferred to the 24 ward felonies division to help apprehend Kamui. (Uehara Kamui is captured during the first level, decoy man. He then escapes one last time during the final level & gets gunned down by a swat team.) Uehara is just a patsy though. The real threat was a woman named Ayame Shimohira. Some chick who Sumio kinda had a hard on for, lol. (This Sumio fucka seems to be horny all the time though, so whatever.) In Placebo you actively try to gain more insight to the individual cases. The Placebo reports are continued in SC 25 Ward through Tokio Morishima. The Transmitter cases are continued through Sumio Kodai, Toriko Kusabi, Sakura Natsume, & Koshimizu Yoshimitsu. The placebo reports are continued through Tokio Morishima. Sakura Natsume plays a bigger role this time around as she's also part of the New World Order arc. (From what I've seen, she seems to play a role in almost every arc of SC 25 Ward.) IMO, the Silver Case games portray a far more interesting series of shadow governments than the one that was depicted in MGS. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silvercasechartenglish.JPG (A lot of those names are wrong, but I'm too lazy to change them around.) In the original Silver Case the top people we know of are Kaoru Hachisuka: He's the police commissioner of the 24 ward. I think he's dead. Sundance Shot: His influence isn't as grand as it used to be. He's pretty much a rogue operative. Mulholland mother: I have no idea what she is. I assume that she has something to do with Shimohira & kamui. Zaburo:He originally formed the CCO/TRO alliance to form enough soft power to stand up against Sundance Shot's political influence. Lucky for them The Hachisuka's brought Sundance down with the Silver Case conspiracy. Which is why the intro is the only time we see Sundance during Silver Case. Judging from what I've seen of SC 25 Ward. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=39" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=39 IMO, all of the above are bit players, save for Mulholland Mother. I know next to nothing about this chick, so that must mean that she's pretty up there in the grand scheme of things. There was probably a time when Sundance was near the top of the societal ladder, because he knows more about the behind the scenes events than most people, but his influence isn't anywhere near as high as it used to be. If Kun Lan & Harman Smith were in Silver Case I think they would be placed in the same tier of influence as Sundance, Yayoi, & Toriko. Which is a tier lower than Mulholland Mother. Mithra is the only other character imo who would probably be labeled in the same standing as Mulholland Mother. (It's my opinion that Kun Lan & Harman aren't really gods. They only appear god like, because we can't comprehend their existence, yet they appear to have abilities that far surpass are own. Much like Sundance, Yayoi, & Toriko.) The Killer 7 would be mere assassins like the Tramps. Or government paid stooges like Tetsuguro & Sumio. Chris Mills, & Samantha are expendable patsies like Ed Macalister. What I think is kinda funny is that it seems that characters such as Andrei Ulmeyda would be pretty high in the societal ladder, because he tried to create his own kingdom. Or maybe not, because the government shut him down, and killed Ulmeyda along with it. (Whereas characters such as Sundance Shot are still around, and even has a couple of loyalists from his FSO days.) I friggin' wonder what's at the center of all these events, & why they're happening.cWhich is why I want to try out SC 25 Ward. The main motivation that is moving these events that I've heard is that some characters in SC 25 Ward are trying to create a Utopian society. If that's true then it reminds I of the plot for Final fantasy Tactics. Which is a good thing imo, because ff tactics had a good plot. It just had ass horrible dialogue due to the translation. Now that's something that I don't want to see happen to the Silver Case text adventure games.

A few things: -Where the tramps "special" in anyway? Or where they just regular thugs? -How is Tetsuguro such he beast? He's like a one man army. -Are CCO/TRO still around? Is there any info on the kamui mass production project? Is it even improtant? Sorry for all the questions, but I just want to get a better grasp of the story. There's a lot going on.

The Tramps were a dangerous gang of criminals. So they weren't exactly push overs. If you mean "special" as in having special powers like shooting fireballs out of their ass then no. The only characters who have special powers are the gods such as Mithra or the "god like" characters like Kun Lan, & Harman Smith. Yayoi Itsushima has supernatural powers, but that's due to her bloodline. I can't relate anymore info about her, because she's a character who was originally from the Twilight Syndrome games. (I never played Twilight Syndrome.) Yayoi & her sister were in Moonlight Syndrome, & I used to host a video at youtube where they were both shooting fireball or what not at each other. The Toriko Kusabi from FSR has celestial powers, but I'm not sure why she does. I have no idea whether that was just a surreal projection or if that actually was toriko blowing up airplanes with the point of her finger & talking to pink alligators & some other crazy shit. How is Tetsuguro such he beast? He's like a one man army. Tetsuguro is just your stereotypical hard boiled hollywood style cop. According to this website. http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/silvercase/JinmeiJiten.htm Tetsuguro is considered an extremely dangerous man who has the killing proficiency to murder the gang of cards by himself. (The card gang are The Tramps.) It's revealed during the ending of FSR that Tetsuguro has a silver eye. His eye has nothing to do with his killing prowess though. Silver Eyes only grant you with the power of immortality, and the ability to steal the identities of other people. So you can masquerade as someone you're not. So even without the eye, tetsuguro would still be one badass mofo. Most of his kills were actually done mafia execution style. (Think of the way the politicians shot each other in Target Sunset or the way Matsuken killed the two old guys.) Have you seen the movie "The Departed"? Do you remember the elevator scene? The Departed - Elevator Shooting scene http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=lak0__k8icw That's exactly what most of Tetsuguro's kills look like. (Though the scene when Di Caprio dies unexpectedly reminds me of the scene when Chizuru gets killed unexpectedly by her rival Sakura. Both Di Caprio, & Chizuru get shot in the head while in the middle of a conversation.) Tetsuguro just straight up murders people. He even killed Rumi, after she killed Ryo Kazan. (The two Moonlight Syndrome rejects.) Even though it was obvious that Rumi was no longer a threat, and was merely frightened. She didn't drop the gun after Tetsuguro kept telling her to. So he shot her in the face, and lit up a cigarette after that. The following are examples of why I assumed that Emir, & Erhmer from NMH were the same person. This is Rumi from Moonlight Syndrome. This is Rumi from Silver Case. Ryo as depicted in Moonlight Syndrome This is Ryo Kazan when he first met Tetsuguro. Ryo is holding onto a brown bag containng the bloody head of his sister. Or at least that's what I think. The website above claims that Mika's (The main character of Moonlight Syndrome) head is inside the brown bag. I think his sister makes more sense, because she's usually depicted as a head stuck inside a bag. The K7 SIN banner actually portrays yayoi holding onto his sisters head. (Inside the violence jack bag.) I forgot to mention, but the guy in the green suit. Nakategawa. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/f_naka.gif (The man who's secretly a member of Sundance's faction.) Is in charge of investigating the school girl serial killings "Moon" case He's supposed to find out what happened to Mika Kishi. (Nobody knows what happened to her.) Officially the "Moon" case is concluded with the conviction of the principal from Moonlight Syndrome. (He's already dead. He was killed by Mithra.) This is the principal. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/topdrunkee/killer7/Moonlight%20Syndrome/Principal.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/topdrunkee/killer7/Moonlight%20Syndrome/principalsyndrome.jpg He did go around killing school girls, but he did not kill Mika Kishi, and her two friends (One of them is Yayoi's sister.) who were the main characters for some of the Twilight Syndrome games. Here's Tetsuguro killing his boss. As you can see, Shinji didn't put up much of a fight at all. He prolly wasn't even expecting to get shot, but Tetsuguro killed him anyway. They were having a normal conversation, but Tetsuguro was learning too much about the Silver Case to the point where Tetsuguro needed to be killed. -Are CCO/TRO still around? Is there any info on the kamui mass production project? Is it even improtant? During the game, or after the game? The CCO/TRO are still around. You work for them. As for whether or not they still exist, I have no idea. As I've never played Silver Case 25 Ward. I haven't heard much about CCO/TRO in 25 Ward either, but that's probably because the CCO/TRO alliance are part of the 24 Ward territory. I'm guessing that Tetsuguro, & Sakura were all transfered after Silver Case. Whereas Sumio was arrested for terrorism, but he was probably pardoned, because he's a government pet project like Emir Parkreiner. (This is just speculation. I have no idea why Sumio is still around. I'm not sure if they even refer to his arrest in FSR, because I didn't even know that Kodai & Mondo were the same person at the time.) Yes the Kamui mass production plan is important. It's one of the main themes that drives the events in the game. There's also the Shimohira mass production plan, & the Shelter Children policy. (The shelter children policy is similar to Blackburn's organ black market that was actually sanctioned by the government.) All of these plans are related to each other. I have no idea what they are about though. The Kamui plan seems to be a mass production of individuals implanted with the Kamui meme (through the internet, media, etc.) so they can go around killing people around the neighborhood as Kamui. One of these plans is about providing stock bodies for shimohira & kamui. The shelter children policy serves as a place of promotion for all of the appropriate/decent citizens of the 24 ward. The 24 Ward itself is used as a -*test*-('")ing ground. Most of these elaborate events are meticulous plans that try to rid the city of all undesirables. (24 Ward had a high crime rate.) It's pretty much the begining stages to the road of a more utopian society. The events in SC 25 Ward seem to expand more on the Utopian society concept. These plans were originally proposed by the TRO/CCO alliance which is why the conservative faction, FSO (Sundance's party) tried to stop them. (Of course the FSO failed, and the incident was covered up as the Silver Case. Which portrayed the FSO as a bunch of crazy ass loons.) There are three parallel events that are constantly played during the Kamui Drome case. 1. Random voyeur videos of pop Idol Sayaka Baian who eventually commits suicide due to a lack of privacy. (Her death is relayed through live broadcasting in the net) 2. The existence of Kamui is divinized through the internet. Like Xed once said, this is similar to the Kingdom of Kira from Death Note. 3. There is a website called "the method tank" which contained designs to reform society. 1. seems irrelevant but it plays an integral role for some of the characters during the final chapter. 3. seems to be expanded on in SC 25 Ward, and FSR. (The Lospass operation is being handled by a group that is bigger than the NGO3. A prominent worldwide underground organization of advanced nations codenamed "ELBOW". They have the same goals as the TRO/CCO. The TRO/CCO is most likely a subsidiary of ELBOW.) The following are the NGO3 sect which comprise of various enterprises, & companies who act behind the scenes in the 24 Ward FSO : Environmental preservation frontier group A non profit organization which assumed maintenance of the frontier group (the conservatives) They originally sent the assassin Uehara Kamui to assassinate the people at the TRO/CCO meeting that would legalize the plans I described earlier. The FSO no longer exist. TRO : Led by technology of the techno group (young turk radical reformers) molecular biology system, Their main occupation is resource upbringing/training. CCO: The Civic group. Their occupation is the direction of the civil armed forces. (self-defense group) They provide the welfare, care, & education. The latter two groups merged together as the TRO/CCO. The administrative body of 24 Ward is strongly influenced by these two parties. __________________________________ The actual "Silver Case" that the game is named after isn't that important at all when compared to the Kamui plans. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silvercase.htm I'm not sure why Kamui is so important though, nor why Silver eyes have the power of agelessness. If you've read my Silver Case link. The original Kamui is said to be a mere civilian. Here's some text that I wrote at my website. This is based off of the Tamura cafe meeting with Sakura, Tetsuguro, & your character. The truth of the Silver Case:Based off of the info from the Tamura cafe meeting. 20 years ago during 1979, Fujiwara had his silver eye gouged out by the TRO/CCO seniors, and was killed. Fujiwara was not a hitman at all. He was just a civilian. An ageless civilian, because anybody with a silver eye is considered ageless, or immortal. When Fujiwara died the remaining politicians at the tv tower meeting annihilated each other as they fought over Fujiwara's Silver eye. In the end it was Uminosuke who took possession of Fujiwara's silver eye. Kaoru Hachisuka, the 24 ward district chief was later killed, and had his identity stolen by his own son Uminosuke. Who then resumed Kaoru's duties as the 24 ward district chief. The true character of Kaoru was Uminosuke who had inherited the Silver eye from Fujiwara Kamui. _______________________________________ Note: FSR goes into more detail about the grudge between the Hachisuka family & Sundance Shot. Personally I'd assume that the grudge started when the Hachisuka's smeared Sundance to the point where he lost most of his political influence, but it's actually stated in FSR that the grudge began with the Silver Eyes. Sundance was the man who got in the way of the Hachisuka family when they tried to obtain the Silver eyes several ages ago. Basically the grudge is based off of greed between the two parties. Sundance got the silver eye first. Tokio Morishima, the only remaining blood relative of the Hachisuka, & Sundance Shot don't confront each other at all during the game. (I doubt they would anyway, because Tokio doesn't consider himself a Hachisuka.) Sundance's main objective seemed to be escaping Lospass using Sumio's identity. Whereas Tokio was there on vacation. (Lospass resort is the place Tokio vacations to during his ending in Silver Case.) Tokio opened the airport gates so Sumio can finally reach the airplane in time before the time paradox. Coincidentally this also paved the way for Sundance to sneak in. Toriko seemed to be trapped in FSR, and I guess Sumio somehow freed her. This is only my assumption based off of Toriko's final monologue during FSR when she refers to her father's friend (Sumio) as the saviour, and then she utters something about waiting awhile longer. I'm assuming that Toriko's role in FSR is properly explained during Sumio's chapter in SC 25 Ward. (Sumio is dressed up as his Mondo alter ego during the first half of his 25 ward chapter.) I just want to get a better grasp of the story. There's a lot going on. Definitely. That's the main reason why I'm so into Silver Case's plot. It reminds me of how crazy Megaten's Persona series used to be. (Persona games used to revolve around conspiracy theories, paranoia & the paranormal like Suda's Silver Case.) Although imo SC's plot is much better, because it doesn't have any token gimmick characters. (Save for Tetsuguro, but even he happens to be a complex character.) BTW the moon from Killer 7 plays a role during some of the cases in SC. Mainly because that moon syndrome is from the game Moonlight Syndrome. It's a sad same that Killer 7 had to strip most of its Silver Case story connection, but I can't blame it. Capcom realizes that plots that are as overly complex as Silver Case normally don't translate well into gaming. (Silver Case feels more like a book, or a movie than an actual game.)