Lospass Airport was built to enable the Hachisukas to travel to and from Ward 24 to Lospass without having to drive down the highway, and Hotel FSR was built to keep their frequent travels to the island from looking suspicious. Kaoru and Chizuru could just say they were going "on vacation". Or maybe even Zaburo. The head of the TRO/CCO coalition who happens to be staying at FSR during the first few chapters of the game. Remy draws her gun first. She draws her gun first, and then Koshi draws his. Admittedly, it could just be because you talked to Remy first, but I think the same thing would happen no matter what. After all, they both end up talking during the scene. I'd check it out on the DS, but I don't want to defuse all those Airportman bombs again. She always draws her gun first. I even made myself fail Sumio's identity -*test*-('") on purpose just to see if Remy & Koshi would really shoot you. Nothing happens you just to need to rejack your birth date again. (That sure takes out all the suspense from that scene though. That part felt like an epic finale to a suspense thriller movie the first time I got to that part.) The airport bombs were definitely the worst part of the game. I'm not sure which is worse. The airport bombs or the Tv tower from Silver Case. Where you end up searching the whole damn place only to find out that Tetsuguro beats you to every single one of the Tramps, because he killed them all. Toriko: Who are you? Sumio: I'm not who you think I am. Toriko: Oh, so you are Kamui? Sumio: Kamui? Don't be ridiculous! Toriko: I know your plan. Sumio: Do you, now? Toriko: You plan to deny Kamui the chance to take new hosts. Sumio: Am I some kind of weapon? Toriko: No. No, you're just a man. Sumio: What have I done? Toriko: Don't worry, someone's coming to turn you back to normal. That's what I came to tell you. Sumio: Someone's going to save me? Who is? Toriko: A friend of my father's. He'll be here any minute now. I can't wait, can you? Comparing the page I got the original Japanese from and the video you made seems to indicate that the page is missing a few lines. Also, this translation could certainly be better. As I've said, my knowledge of Japanese is very limited. I'm confident in a few lines, though. They're the ones in bold. This line "ボクはどうすればいい？" is interesting. It gets machine-translated as "I how should have done?". I decided to leave it like that and move on, and then I saw the next line "大丈夫" (daijōbu, a word I know, which means something similar to "That's OK" or "don't worry"), I realized that Sundance/Sumio's previous line is one of regret and shock. I.e., "What have I done?" Your translation looks good enough to me. It sure matches some of the garbled dialogue that I came up with. So that's what they were saying. I always read it as Toriko speaking to the Sundance/Sumio impostor in a frantic child's tone. Your translation gives me the impression that she's the one in control all along. (My confusion is that I mistook Sumio/Sundance's dialogue for Toriko.) Wait a minute you can actually see the dialogue in the vid I made? I always thought that it was too blurry to see. Anyway check out this site. It has the full dialogue trees to FSR. FSR story wiki It seems to be that except for Remy, Ritz managed to round up the rest of her tribe and move to an unassuming life on Micronesia. Sumio, on the other hand, was raised in Japan, at Mikumo (wasn't he?). It would be quite cruel, though, if one of the Kamui hosts was to be an actual member of the Sundance tribe. Sumio grew up at the 24 Ward. I'm not sure what city the 24 Ward is supposed to be. I'm not too familiar with the Kanto region. I lived way out to the west in the chugoku reigion near saga when I was staying at japan. Anyway Sumio was actually chased out of Mikumo. This led to Sumio forming the Mikumo boizu. I prefer to call them the Three Monkey's though, because it sounds cooler. [i]The Parade: Waste water from the factory greatly attributed to the rise of pollution within the area. The citizens of Mikumo demonstrated pro-*test*-('")s against the factory every week. These pro-*test*-('")s gradually became cruel, and disorderly. The chaotic nature of the pro-*test*-('")'s became to be known as the "Parade" referring to the congregation of pro-*test*-('")ing madmen. Sumio is from Mikumo. The "parade" eventually attacked the manager of Mikumo 77. The manager's family tried to flee, but they and the house they resided in were nothing more than a husk of cast-off skin by the end of the night. The manager's daughter Riru, was the sole survivor of the family. Sumio grabbed Riru by the hand, and tried to slip out of the city. They were eventually caught by the "Parade". The adults of the "Parade" antagonized Riru & labeled her a witch. Sumio & all of whom who tried to protect Riru were punished for their transgressions. Riru was beaten & raped to death by the Parade. She was only eight years old. (Sumio Kodai was only six.) Sumio held a grudge against the Mikumo Bros. from that day onward. These events led to Sumio forming the Mikumo Boizu, a gang of terrorists. They are the three wise monkeys. Hiseki's punishment, so as not to see the witch, his eyes are crushed. Fyuki's punishment, so as not to call the witch, his mouth is sewn. So as not to hear the witch's voice, oil was poured into Sumio's ears. (Hiseki & Fyuki are Sumio's childhood friends. ) _______________ This video shows Sumio's friend Fyuki, suicide bombing inside a chimney. Killing both himself,and a Mikumo Snow tower chairman. __________________ - Hiseki: Direct perpetrator of the Iregyura(Irregular) Snow mansion explosion STATUS:. He committed suicide by hanging himself. - Fyuki: Direct perpetrator of the kidnapping of Mikumo Snow Tower chairman. STATUS: He suicide bombed inside a chimney & plunged to his death. His body was burnt to a crisp. All that remained was a diamond. - Yukimura, Riru: The daughter of Mikumo 77's manager. She was lynched by the "Parade" and died in Mikumo 20 years ago... - Kodai, Sumio: Direct perpetrator of the kidnapping of the Iregyura Snow chairman. STATUS: Sumio was indirectly responsible for the genocide of an entire city. He was arrested after the destruction of Mikumo city & was stripped of his duty as a detective of the Felonious 24 Ward 2nd Division. He tried to conceal the injury of his ear, but was eventually caught & detained when his conversation was leaked through lip reading. ______________ I remember you always talking before about how villains in Suda 51 games are never pure evil. They have their own goals and motives for doing what they do. Like Fukushima or Matsuken in K7, or Sundance in FSR. Sundance is defined in the game's world (by the Hachisukas) as a terrorist, and is even called that by Remy AND the Character Profiles. But he's really just trying to help his tribe recover from genocide. I always got the impression that Sundance was a machiavellianist doing what he did for a greater good, but I always assumed that it was for FSO. Him trying to keep his lineage safe from extinction is much cooler imo. As for Fukushima. I don't recall him ever being portrayed as a bad guy. Even when he spoke to Harman. All they were really doing was commenting about how politics has degraded into a mere formality. (Policies, & actions are decided ahead of time. The actual meetings, & speeches are just for show.) He was just a target who had to be eliminated, because his interests (He wanted to shape Japan into a true sovereign nation without the aid of the United States.) went against the wishes of the USA, Foreign ethics committee, and Kun Lan (He's the Eastern Threat who tries to nuke Japan.) I didn't translate this picture. I just saw it while browsing through a killer 7 fansite. http://bloody-heartland.net/ Here's the original pic from the Japanese official site. I was going to translate it myself until I came across that above pic. (U.S. Opposition party is the group that Curtis Blackburn is part of.) Matsuken on the other hand is definitely a bad guy with his own sensible motives. He was a straight up fascist. That & he had the blessing of Kun Lan. Which Fukushima didn't seem to have.

I still don't know what to make of Toriko. The Character Profiles act as though she's the real Toriko, but she talks to Sundance like she's something else entirely. I think that the ethereal Toriko is on the side of Kamui (Shimohira?), and has chosen to look like Toriko in order to do emotional damage to Tetsugorō (if he ever found out). Shimohira probably took the form of Toriko, because she appears to be a harmless girl who'd you least expect. Even then, I'm not sure if that is Shimohira. Although her motives match with Kamui, it's the whole "my father's friend" part that bothers me. That makes it sound as if she really is Toriko. Than again maybe it's just Shimohira being manipulative and using Tetsu & Sumio to foil Sundance's plans once again. (Just like the first time when Tetsuguro killed Sundance's assassin, lol.) The biggest obstacles to the Kamui project are (correct me if I'm wrong): the Sundances (and allies), Tetsugorō, and Sumio. The Sundances because of their long-standing grudge against the Hachisukas, Sumio because of KATHARINE, and Tetsugorō because of the events of the Silver Case (the game). But then that calls into question why Toriko would bring Sumio back to life and start the time loop again. Maybe she knew he would destroy Sundance's escape plan? Add the Natsume's to that list. The Natsume also have a grudge against the Hachisuka. Though their conflict is more politically oriented whereas Sundance looks to be more personal. The Natsume's imo are just as important as the Kusabi's, & Hachisukas, because Daigo & Sakura have both came onto useful clues that help direct the narrative toward Kamui's identity. (They're the ones who mention FSR/Kamui, then ask have you ever heard of them. I think Sakura Natsume is even referenced during FSR at one point, but she doesn't actually appear in game.) I'm not too sure how important Tetsuguro is. IMO, Tetsuguro is just a tool for killing like the Killer 7. It seems that he went to the United States to get away from it all. (Or maybe he's just working on a case. I'm not sure.) http://sakugami.exblog.jp/3687122/#3687122_1 ところでテツさんは米国って。 でも生きててよかった。 あと気になると言えば市長の名前がツバキ。 Judging from this, it seems that there's always at least one person or thing named Camellia/Tsubaki in every Suda game. And here I thought I was the only one obsessed with that name, because I'm infatuated with a woman who has that name. http://www.tsubakiss.com/ I remember seeing something that said that Tetsuguro actually died during the Silver Case assassination, but he was revived a bit later, because of a silver eye. I usually leave that part out though, because it doesn't make any sense to me. If Sundance has a silver eye and the genetics to use it, it must mean he could be susceptible to Kamui implants. Obviously, it hasn't happened, but maybe Toriko is trying to appeal to that. Especially if Toriko is Shimohira. Do you have any ideas about ? The thought has crossed my mind several times, but I don't recall ever seeing Toriko being referred or referenced to as Shimohira. I sometimes see Yayoi being connected to Baian/Shimohira. I'm not sure why though. Although I think it would make sense if she is indeed the same woman from Moonlight Syndrome. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/topdrunkee/lunaticryo9.jpg They sure as hell look the same. I think it might make sense, because Yayoi used to hang out with a god in the form of a little boy. (Yayoi Itsushima naturally has paranormal powers herself.) As for Toriko. I'm not sure what to think of her. I see her as another dominant unexplainable force like Harman Smith, or Yayoi Itsushima. (Moonlight Syndrome incarnation.) It's been stated by Suda once (I don't remember where I read it from. It was in a MS discussion page.) that yayoi was intentionally created to be a perplexing mysterious character who's nearly impossible to read, because Moonlight Syndrome doesn't give you enough information about her. Neither does FSR since it doesn't even hint at Yayoi being the same woman from MS at all. The only clue is that Hanayama has a similar "cocktease" personality, and she shares the same facial structure,mole, body type, & hair line as Itsushima. Yayoi is impossible to read, because she's not out right defiant toward you. She's a lot Sylvia Christel. She pretends to be every bodies friend, and manipulates them into their death. Had my youtube account been up still I'd link you to a video where Yayoi is pitying/mocking Mithra after he got killed by Ryo. This creates the impression that she's actually stronger than Mithra, and may imply that she was the one who was orchestrating the events of MS all along. Which then leads I to believe that maybe she is Shimohira. But now this brings me back to wondering what the hell Toriko is. More info about Yayoi: If Hanayama & Itsushima are indeed the same exact person than that would make her the true machiavellian of Suda 51's games, because she remained undetected throughout two games. (Not that she really did anything in FSR. I just find it quite intriguing how such a conniving person can maintain a mask of sanity that's as effective as hers. In FSR, you'd never guess that Yayoi was ever an antagonist.) Whereas other comparable characters such as Sundance have been foiled several times, and Mithra was killed by a highschool kid. IMO I think it was all a set up by Yayoi for Mithra to kill off the Hinakawa high trio which also included Yayoi's older sister Chisato. (The trio are established in the two Twilight Syndrome games that Suda 51 directed. The leader was Yukari, the other two are Mika, & Chisato.) Yayoi then planned for Ryo & Mithra to kill each other off. The victor doesn't seem to matter to her as long as one of them was dead. (Mithra would live on anyway, because he's a god, and Ryo would eventually get killed due to his loss in sanity.) Yayoi first conspired with Mithra to get Sumio Touba to sign a contract to be with Ryo's older sister Kyoko. This in turn gets Kyoko killed, and Sumio gets to keep Kyoko's head. Sumio Touba is then murdered by one of his ex girlfriends in a double homicide. (His ex self immolates herself, and SUmio burns to death in the same fire.) Later on Yayoi arranges for Mika Kishi to be kidnapped & killed by a rapist. Which opens the gate for her to coerce Ryo Kazan into agreeing with a contract with Mithra. (The contract was to ensure Mika's life & safety. The contract is nulled once Ryo makes contact with Mika.) Ryo has intimate feelings for Mika Kishi, simply because Mika reminded him of his dead sister. Mithra plays psychological mindfuck games with Mika for the next few chapters. The contract is finally broken when Mithra takes Ryo's soul/self awareness (I'm not sure what it is. It's that condition that creates the pupiless moonlight syndrome look) Mika decides to trade places with Ryo. This in turn causes Ryo to break the contract once he regained his consciousness. Mithra kept Mika's soul/self awareness inside him once Ryo broke the contract when he made physical contact with Mika. (Ryo was trying to bring her back.) The highschool girl serial killings happen shortly after during the night of a crescent moon. (The serial killer is the principal.) Mika goes missing for two whole months. It was originally believed that Mika was a victim of the serial killings. (She's officially classified as missing.) However Yukari & Chisato could still feel her essence. Which led to her friends Alisa, Yukari & Chisato to look for her during a night of the fullmoon. (Mithra only appears during a fullmoon.) This then brings back back to Mithra mutilating all the girls who tried to confront him, and the eventual showdown between Ryo & Mithra. Mithra believed that Ryo wouldn't kill him, because the death of Mithra would also mean the death of Mika. (Who's soul is lost in some kind of limbo state. We later see her stuck inside a tv. Similar to how you summon the Smiths in Killer 7.) So essentially the entirety of Moonlight Syndrome was just an elaborate scheme by Yayoi Itsushima to get a 3rd party to kill Chisato without dirtying her hands herself. (To avoid Chisato's murder tracing back to Yayoi.) I assume that she used Mithra for the job, because it would probably take a god (or somebody with comparable power to the Itsushima.) to kill an indivdual like Chisato. Mithra had to kill Chisato two times. Mithra killed her both times with ease. Chisato died for good the second time, because there wasn't enough of her body left for her to rematerialize. (That & Chisato used the remaining life force that she had left just to resurrect herself & lead Ryo to Mithra.) You're right. It looks just like him. I really wouldn't be surprised if Sumio' FSR look (which is certainly different from his SC look) was inspired by that guy. That seems to be something Suda 51 likes to do. I mean, look at the assassins from No More Heroes. Many of them have designs inspired (at least in part) by real people. Tell me about it. We pictured some look alikes at this thread. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1115" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1115 Here's another look alike Mr. Tamori http://www.japan-zone.com/modern/tamori.shtml Shinji Kotobiki Tokio Morishima resembles one of the band members from a japanese boyband called Tokio. (Morishima looks like a hybrid between the lead singer, and the guy who always wears his hair sticking out like Morishima.) (which is certainly different from his SC look) I think sumio looks the same. He just got a haircut. That always confused me when I first played FSR. Why does he have a short caeser cut in his drawn pictures, but his hair is semi long in his polygon character? It wasn't until I got a copy of Silver Case that I finally made the connection that kodai & Mondo are the same person, because Sumio has semi longish hair in SC. (Though his hair is bleached brown/dirty blonde in SC.) I do find it interesting how Sumio Kodai from 25 Ward has the same exact look as Sumio Mondo from FSR. (Back in 2005, I had no idea that both Sumio's were the same person undergoing a different surname.)

She always draws her gun first. I even made myself fail Sumio's identity -*test*-('") on purpose just to see if Remy & Koshi would really shoot you. Nothing happens you just to need to rejack your birth date again. (That sure takes out all the suspense from that scene though. That part felt like an epic finale to a suspense thriller movie the first time I got to that part.) Ah. Then maybe there is something to my "tribal intuition" idea after all. The buildup to the Final KATHARINE scene actually has the longest of Sumio's pre-KATH dialog in the whole game, so it seems like it may be pretty important. (I think the Airportman bombs have the shor-*test*-('").) The airport bombs were definitely the worst part of the game. I'm not sure which is worse. The airport bombs or the Tv tower from Silver Case. Where you end up searching the whole damn place only to find out that Tetsuguro beats you to every single one of the Tramps, because he killed them all. I think the Airportman bombs are worse, because when you're going through the Shelter Circuses, even the dead-end rooms usually have something interesting to read (if you understand Japanese). The Airportman bombs are just a bunch of math problems (and the DS players don't even get to hear "Sleepy KATH" while working on them!). Your translation looks good enough to me. It sure matches some of the garbled dialogue that I came up with. So that's what they were saying. I always read it as Toriko speaking to the Sundance/Sumio impostor in a frantic child's tone. Your translation gives me the impression that she's the one in control all along. (My confusion is that I mistook Sumio/Sundance's dialogue for Toriko.) Yeah, after playing the game, I think Toriko is always in control over the situation. Even when things have gotten out of hand, and Sundance has shot Sumio, it's Toriko that brings him back to life and sets the time loop back in motion. What surprised me is that Sundance seems to regret what he's done. I was thinking about this last night, and I noticed from comparing your video to that website that some of the dialog is missing. I think maybe something happened to Sundance when he body-switched that he didn't expect: He got stuck. Maybe it was part of his plan that any switched Sundance would be able to return to their original body when the Hachisukas weren't a problem anymore, but when Sundance was being held at gunpoint by Remy and Koshi, he discovered he couldn't change back. That's maybe what he regretted, and that's why Toriko told him not to worry, because Sumio was going to be by soon to use KATHARINE to force Sundance back into his own body. (All this really makes me wonder where Sumio got KATHARINE from.) Wait a minute you can actually see the dialogue in the vid I made? I always thought that it was too blurry to see. Anyway check out this site. It has the full dialogue trees to FSR. FSR story wiki I bookmarked that website a while ago from an earlier post somewhere on here. I could make out the dialog on your video just enough to come up with a phrase I could "Find" on the story page, so I'd know where the scene was. I always got the impression that Sundance was a machiavellianist doing what he did for a greater good, but I always assumed that it was for FSO. Him trying to keep his lineage safe from extinction is much cooler imo. Yeah, you mentioned something earlier about Sakura being against the Hachisukas in a political way. Maybe she's the one still cooperating with the FSO. Didn't you say that her father Daigo was killed by a Kamui? If so, maybe Sakura also has some personal motivation for going after the Hachisukas, but not as much as Sundance. Than again maybe it's just Shimohira being manipulative and using Tetsu & Sumio to foil Sundance's plans once again. (Just like the first time when Tetsuguro killed Sundance's assassin, lol.) That's what I think it is, provided Toriko is Shimohira. Has Shimohira ever shown any special time-manipulation powers? But anyway, the manipulation seems like something she'd do, especially since Tetsugorō screwed things up for the Hachisukas in the Silver Case. She might be wanting some more direct revenge for that. Like "You have to face me, but now I look like your precious daughter." I remember seeing something that said that Tetsuguro actually died during the Silver Case assassination, but he was revived a bit later, because of a silver eye. I usually leave that part out though, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Hmm... that would explain why he still had one in FSR. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the only known Silver Eye in the Silver Case game go with Tokio Morishima? And you mentioned something earlier about the Tramps being dangerous criminals, and yet Tetsugorō managed to kill all four of them. Well... maybe he had infinite lives. Re: Moonlight Syndrome Wow, that game is strange. I think this might be the first time I've actually read a seemingly-complete description of the plot. I should get around to playing that game next, but I still want to finish the Silver Case. Do you have any Moonlight Syndrome walkthroughs? These games can be tough when you can't understand any of the text. I didn't know Yayoi was so manipulative. Did she drive Stephan into doing what he did in FSR? Sometimes girls like that can have an effect on a guy. Stephan always did seem angry at Sumio for having Yayoi's attention. Anyway, I managed to do two more Character Profile images. Original Text Shōtarō Kai カイ・ショウタロウ 父親がかまって くれないので 退屈している. 小学生 出身 : 極東 (I prefer the way the macrons look, versus adding those extra "u"s in there, even though that is technically the way the word is spelled in kana.) Original Text DAIZABURŌ KAI カイ・ダイザブロウ ショウタロウの父. 人をからかうことが 趣味. 職業 : 官僚 出身 : 極東 These two pages, especially Shōtarō's, make me think that Daizaburō actually told his son they were going to Lospass for a vacation, but he actually went there to check on the facility and see if everything was running fine after the events of the Silver Case.

(All this really makes me wonder where Sumio got KATHARINE from.) Beats me. I've always pondered that myself. That's what I think it is, provided Toriko is Shimohira. Has Shimohira ever shown any special time-manipulation powers? But anyway, the manipulation seems like something she'd do, especially since Tetsugorō screwed things up for the Hachisukas in the Silver Case. She might be wanting some more direct revenge for that. Like "You have to face me, but now I look like your precious daughter." I don't recall Shimohira ever manipulating time or space, but who knows. Mithra can manipulate time, but I doubt that he has anything to do with this game. (BTW ignore what I said about Mithra only appearing during a fullmoon. He doesn't need a fullmoon to appear. That's just the night that you're guaranteed to see him.) I agree that the manipulation seems like something she'd do. I just don't picture her elevating Tetsuguro to such a high standard. It doesn't seem like Kamui or Shimohira have ever noticed Tetsuguro Kamui doesn't seem to notice anybody on a personal level, because he's more like a force of nature. IMO, I think Shimohira would have more of a problem with Tokio Morishima. (The Hachisuka, who renounced his lineage, and used the evidence of the Silver Case against his father.) I don't really think she cares about him either though, because Shimohira met Tokio during decoyman, and she didn't bother to do anything to him at all. Out of the main characters I feel that Sumio would be the only one who she would see on a personal level, because they sort of had a relationship going on during the Silver Case. (Love Triangle refers to Kamui,Kaiji/Shimohira, & Sumio.) To me Tetsuguro is just an attack dog. The only thing Tetsuguro does is kill which only provides short term damage. Tetsuguro is the pure brawn, action hero type. Any damage he does can easily be repaired. Sumio would seem higher in the hierarchy imo, because Sumio has actually shown that he has the long term logistic insight necessary to perform large scale operations that can demolish entire infra structures. (Sumio & his two childhood friends schemed for 20 years just to wait for a chance to get their revenge on Mikumo city, and actually succeeding in the process.) I feel that Sakura Natsume is a bit more important than Tetsuguro. Mainly because there seems to be a lot of story focus on her character. (Tetsu gets a lot of story focus as well, but he doesn't drive the story forward as much a Sakura & Tokio do.) You get the impression that she's always handling all these cases behind the scenes even though you don't see her much. She's like an intelligence/information warfare type. The reason why the first Silver Case focused so much on Tetsuguro was because he played an integral role in the original Silver Case murder. He's part of the reason why the death of Fujiwara kamui was covered up as the Silver Case. (Though it may be unintentional on Tetsuguro's part.) The reality of the Silver Case is that Uminosuke was part of the massacre during the tv tower meeting so he could steal Fujiwara's silver eye. It's assumed that he killed several of his own colleagues just to get the eye. He had to come up with a good alibi so he fabricated the Silver Case murders. (He used the fact that Sundance sent an assassin to kill the people at the tv tower meeting to his advantage.) Tetsuguro was used as the hero who detained Kamui. (This Kamui was an agent of Sundance, but not the same guy who had the silver eye.) So basically Uminosuke killed his father Police commissioner Kaoru, stole his identity, and then manipulated his position in order to forge the classified Silver Case story. Yeah, you mentioned something earlier about Sakura being against the Hachisukas in a political way. Maybe she's the one still cooperating with the FSO. Didn't you say that her father Daigo was killed by a Kamui? If so, maybe Sakura also has some personal motivation for going after the Hachisukas, but not as much as Sundance. I highly doubt that she has anything to do with FSO. Sakura is employed under the CCO, and works directly for Michiru Kousaka who manages the business affairs of the CCO Central Police Consultation room. (All the 24 Ward detectives are either employed for TRO, or CCO. During the timeframe of the original SC game.) This scene doesn't actually happen in game, but I assume that it's supposed to take place after the Tamura cafe meeting, because only Sakura & Tetsuguro are present in this pic with Kosaka. (They're the only two from 24 Ward Felonious who are still alive. Sumio is alive, but he's under arrest.) FSO pretty much died out during Silver Case. I was always under the assumption that Sundance was trying to bring them back to power during FSR. Thanks to you. I now know that Sundance was actually trying to sustain his family clan, and seems to have abandoned the FSO. The reason why the Natsume's happen to be rivals of the Hachisuka is because the Natsume were the only family that had enough influence within the CCO to override/mutiny against the Hachisuka. Shall the need ever arisen. Daigo was the leader of the Republic Peace Special Forces. They're like a Swat team/Self Defense Army. Kaoru Hachisuka (Who we now know is Uminosuke.) is the police commissioner of the entire 24 Ward police force. Which means that he could assume control of the Republic Peace Special Forces if he wanted, but it would be pretty hard with the Natsume's still in power. IMO Sakura seems to be one of the more important characters of the Silver Case. She even has an entire novel chronicling her exploits. This is the back of the novel. From left to right Sumio, Morikawa, Uehara Kamui, Sundance Shot. The Natsume's seem to either have a vast intelligence network, or they probably have high analytical ability. I believe this because both father & daughter have uncovered some pretty big leads during the games they're in. (Daigo talks about FSR during his deathbed. Sakura talks about Kamui.) I ponder what exactly it is that she does during SC 25 Ward, because she seems to make an appearance in almost every case. (Save for the Placebo reports.) In that one Kosaka/Sakura page I linked you to. (I forget which thread.) During the SC25 prototype Kosaka orders Sakura to find out more about Akira & to locate his whereabouts. Which is prolly what she's doing in SC 25. I don't believe that Akira will ever play a role in the story again though. I think he'll just die off screen, and we never hear about it. BTW here's a guy from the K7 prototypes who I suspect could be Michiru Kosaka. (The most common theory is that he is the Jaco Checkbox agent.) If you watch Dcat's video forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1119" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1119 you'll see that the mystery guy was sitting at the same place that Matsuken, Akiba, & the other old guy were sitting at during the intro for sunset 2. Which leads me to believe that this guy is supposed to be japan affiliated. Hmm... that would explain why he still had one in FSR. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the only known Silver Eye in the Silver Case game go with Tokio Morishima? And you mentioned something earlier about the Tramps being dangerous criminals, and yet Tetsugorō managed to kill all four of them. Well... maybe he had infinite lives. There were several people who had a Silver eye in Silver Case, but there was only one man with a silver eye during the night of the silver case. This is the eye that everybody died for, & left Uminosuke as the sole survivor. (He most likely killed everybody else in the tv tower, and planted the evidence on Fujiwara's dead body.) Tokio Morishima is the guy who was given the notebook by Morikawa that contained classified information about the Silver Case. This is the information that contains the actual events of what happened, and not the commonly accepted account of Silver Case. This is the evidence that Tokio used to put Uminosuke behind bars. Although I've read somewhere that Uminosuke is dead now. BTW Tokio always had a silver eye, because he's a Hachisuka. Silver eyes only grant you immortality. Meaning that you can't die from old age. It's similar to the True runes that's used in Suikoden. http://www.suikosource.com/editorials/archives/2005/04/true_rune_theories.php So I doubt that Tetsuguro was granted with infinite lives. His fighting ability is assumed to be natural. I believe that he is, because he killed Tariyu Munaka like it was nothing. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/SC-MunakaTariyu.jpg Tariyu was a double agent (I think he was for FSO.) who happened to be one of the more elite officers of the Republic Peace Special forces. In every profile that I've ever read of Tetsuguro it's usually stated that that Tetsuguro is simply a dangerous, near criminal like man. Implying that Tetsuguro is even worse than the criminals that he puts behind bars. This is believable, because during Silver Case we see Tetsuguro kill almost everybody without any remorse. He unloaded an entire clip into Rumi Touba, who's just a high school girl with a gun, and he killed Morikawa, Kotobiki, & Nakatagawa. Regardless of the past relationships that they had with each other. (It's stated that Kotobiki wanted Tetsuguro to kill him, so Kotobiki's death was probably a mercy kill.) I typically ignore the Tetsuguro died part, because it doesn't make any sense. If Tetsuguro died, who killed him? If so, who was it that injected the silver eye into his eye socket? If a Silver eye can revive you, I think it's only effective when the eye gets injected into you. Fujiwara Kamui had a silver eye, and he was killed for his silver eye. (So I assume that he was dead, before they took his eye.)

(I prefer the way the macrons look, versus adding those extra "u"s in there, even though that is technically the way the word is spelled in kana.) In English they're usually spelled without the U, because the U is silent. I spell them with a u anyway, because I have a bad habit of adding a u after every o. (armour instead of armor, kanou instead of kano.) especially Shōtarō's, make me think that Daizaburō actually told his son they were going to Lospass for a vacation, but he actually went there to check on the facility and see if everything was running fine after the events of the Silver Case. That sure fits in with what we surmised about Lospass. Do you have any Moonlight Syndrome walkthroughs? I used two walkthroughs. http://bh.vis.ne.jp/gamedata/moonlight/index.html http://www.ne.jp/asahi/weekly/yumetama/moonlightsyndrome/story.html This one isn't really a walkthrough, but it chronicles most of the events in game. So you'll have a pretty good idea of where your at as long as you follow this link as a guidline. (and refer to the first link for puzzles or whenever you get stuck. I didn't know Yayoi was so manipulative. Did she drive Stephan into doing what he did in FSR? Sometimes girls like that can have an effect on a guy. Stephan always did seem angry at Sumio for having Yayoi's attention. I don't see why she would. A pattern that I've seen with Yayoi is that her plans are so carefully calculated that she rarely ever has to put herself in danger at all. (The only time she did was during the final level of MS, when she limps over to Ryo wounded. I don't believe that she was actually wounded, because she walks around perfectly fine when she's pitying Mithra's dead human body. Which happens only a couple of minutes later.) Stephan is considered a genius though, so if she did try to manipulate Stephan than he probably saw through her deceit & used her schemes against her. Officially Stephan was -*test*-('")ing Sumio's character, and used yayoi as part of a bet. If you mean that Yayoi insulted Stpehan, then yes that's certainly a possibility. Although Stephan's dialogue doesn't indicate anything personal against her. (His personal mannerisms speak otherwise.) There's not any evidence of Yayoi being up to no good during FSR. Although Suda 51 has confirmed that she really is the same girl from MS. (I'll get to that in a moment.) I think this might be the first time I've actually read a seemingly-complete description of the plot. I had entire plot based videos of Moonlight Syndrome hosted at youtube. What I described in my former post was only a description of what Yayoi may have done in order to orchestrate the events in the game. In MS, you are typically given the impression that it's Mithra who's manipulating & controlling everybody. (He does for the most part.) It's not until you se that yayoi scene at the roof top of the school where it's hinted that Mithra was actually being used as Yayoi's henchman, and not the other way around. ____________________ Have you ever checked out the Gpara PS2 FSR site? http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/ http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/main.htm There's a lot of good info there, because they actually had Suda on hand to directly answer their inquiries. (Chapters 15 through 18 need to be typed in manually into your browser.) http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/r06.htm http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/suda_yayoi.htm 非常に愛着ある、"混沌"の女性 混乱、混沌をヤヨイに任せたのですが、普通の女性になってしまいました。本領発揮とはならず。ヤヨイは、非常に愛着のある人物で、自分の作品では２回目の登場となります。もっとスミオくんと絡ませたかったのですが、楽園というゆるやかな場では、彼女はおとなしくしているしかないようで、都市でないとヤヨイの魅力は出せません。またいつか、ヤヨイが登場できる時を僕も待ち望んでいます。 I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think Suda confirms that they're the same woman, and FSR is indeed her second in game appearance. (Yayoi wasn't introduced as Chisato's sister until Moonlight Syndrome.) However he goes on to comment about how her wiles aren't as effective at Lospass as they were in Moonlight Syndrome, because she's more in her element when she's at a city. At least that's what I could pull together. You may be able to pull up something far more coherent. Yayoi in FSR seems to be an ordinary woman. (Which I feel is just a mask.) G para even noted how both Yayoi's have the same exact beauty mark. It's because of this Gpara page that I believe you need to be excruciatingly detailed with your wording in order to get an exact answer out of Suda. You need to pinpoint similarities that Suda himself can't deny in order to get a satisfiable answer out of him. Even the American Killer 7 brady games strategy guide was able to get some satisfiable answers out of Suda because they also worded their inquiries in a way that Suda wouldn't be able to himself out of. This is what I think went wrong when Suda was asked if the Emir impostor was from Killer 7. The interviewer from (some random American magazine. I don't remember which.) fucked up when he inquired if NMH was connected to K7 or Michigan. (Suda said that NMH has nothing to do with them at all.) Basically the interviewer kinda implied that every single Suda 51 game is connected to each other. I believe we would've gotten a more detailed answer if the interviewer had asked if NMH was in anyway connected to his earlier surreal adventure game series. (Which would include MS,SC,FSR, &SC 25 Ward.) Suda himself even implied during the interview that there's a reason why Emir impostor looks like Emir. (It seems that Suda was referring to the Kamui transfusion from the SC/FSR games) , but Suda relented to go into more detail about it. (Mainly because those of us in the West would have no idea what he's talking about. Since FSR, MS, & the two SC games haven't been released here yet.) This page asks what Toriko's relation is to Sumio. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/r14.htm モンドとトリコの物語が『花と太陽と雨と』です トリコとモンドは一度も会っていない。 モンドとトリコの物語が『花と太陽と雨と』なのですが、 結局、しつこいストーカーのおっさんに邪魔されました。 とても残念です。 FSR revolves around both of them, and it says that Sumio & Toriko never actually meet in game. Which is true, but I still don't get what Toriko is supposed to be. Suda explains Ritz. またこの話をややこしくしました 死んだ婆ちゃんを思い起こしながら、 ひょっとすると、こんな奥底があったのかなと。 リッツの年輪が島の歴史だとすれば、 言葉の断片に真実が浮かぶであろうし、 その一言一言が、その奥行きゆえに、難解であり、 そんな実像が、またこの話をややこしくしました。 I'm even more confused. Is she a real person, or an avatar? I always assumed that Toriko was a personification, but most of Suda's answers seem to infer that Toriko in FSR actually is Toriko. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/r01.htm Suda 51 on Ed Macalister イメージは映画「フォー・ルームス」 エドはですね、典型的な一人歩きです。 シルバーのナカテガワと一緒です。 スミオと一番絡みやすいというか、 いっつも絡んでいるので、 情がわく人物ですね。 フォールームスのティム・ロスが原型です。 あれの真面目な雰囲気で。 It explains some connection that Ed has with Nakatagawa from the Silver Case. What that connection is I have no idea. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/r11.htm They even ask about the moon. R-11では月がクローズアップされます。これまでの作品でも、「ルナ」なイメージ を作品に とりあげていますが、月に対する思い入れや取り上げたい魅力などあれば教えてください。 　しつこい性格なので。月は説明の必要もなく、伝達できます。 それとまあ、いつも帰りが遅いので、月が日々綺麗なのです。 Suda didn't give an explanation. He said that the moon phases don't need to be explained. I guess he wants you to piece it together with common astronomy knowledge of the phases of the moon. http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_phases.phtml Note: In Moonlight Syndrome each chapter started with a different phase of the moon. It wasn't until you got to the second disc with the crescent moon that everything started to behave abnormally. (people killing themselves, jumping off buildings, etc.) MS finally ended during the night of a full moon. Which is also the same night that Silver Case begins. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/r12.htm In this they're talking about how Moonlight Syndrome, Silver Case & FSR are connected, and how they all share the same world, but the tales are told from different points of view. Q23において、須田さんは「ムーンライト」「シルバー」と「FSR」はすべてつな がっているといっていましたが、 そのような（ひとつの世界観を様々な角度から見るような）作品創りをしている理由 は？ そして、その須田さんの描きたい「ひとつの世界観」とは、ズバリなんでしょう。 途方もない浪漫です。 I'm not sure what the question was, or what Suda meant by his answer. I mean wtf does Rickie Lee Jones have to do with it? Here's a page that you may want to investigate. It's the second most important chapter in the game. (Second after Kill the Past.) R13 asks about Kill the Past, Sundance, & the time paradox. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/r13.htm This one asks about the time parodox. They asked if Toriko, or Sumio had anything to do with it. 「カムイさん、明日の引き金をひいてください」 ・・・ロスパス島の時間は、誰が 作用できるものなのか？　トリコ？モンド？　明快な答えがあるならば、教えてください。また、ロスパス島をこのような時空のひずみにおいた理由を教えてください。 モリシマトキオです。 リゾートは、設定化しなくとも、 ある意味、時空が歪んでます。 仕事で行かない限りはね。 The answer is Tokio Morishima. Which goes along with how he came back to Lospass to "Kill the Past" I wanted to post more from Gpara, but the site died on me. I wanted to post the question that linked Shimohira/Baian to Yayoi. Yayoi certainly is the most manipulative character in the continuity. She's so manipulative that you can't even tell who she's trying to manipulate. I think it's crazy as hell now that I've realized that all she wanted to do was kill Chisato, but she had all these irrelevant people plus a god die just to get at her sister.

This ought to be a long one. Re: The Suda 51 questions I bookmarked the first website in the series. These questions might make an interesting project for me once I'm done with the Character Profiles (I only have 16 more; I want to do the Sding family next, and the Phantom Sister, who I think was actually murdered in that room Sumio got stuck in, and became a ghost). You've gone on and on about how Killer7 ended up being kind of a remake of the Silver Case, and there's another thing to that. Garcian's vision ring enables him to see the Heaven Smiles, so I can't help but compare him to Sumio, and the ring to KATHARINE, able to detect the truth of things. Of course, that would mean that Killer7 uses ideas from FSR, too. But then, Sundance was supposed to be in K7, and he looked like he did in FSR. Re: Shimohira Yeah, she might initially have held more of a grudge against Tokio, if he didn't go run and hide on Lospass. If he actually tried to do something to stop the Hachisukas instead of hiding out on, let's face it, his own family's resort. Tetsuguro is the pure brawn, action hero type. Any damage he does can easily be repaired. Sumio would seem higher in the hierarchy imo, because Sumio has actually shown that he has the long term logistic insight necessary to perform large scale operations that can demolish entire infra structures. So that would make Sumio the brains and Tetsugorō the brawn. If Shimohira viewed them as a team working together to ruin the Kamui plan (which FSR's ending certainly seemed to suggest, with the two of them being reunited on the airplane), then either target would be a good one. Going after the brains would be a lot easier if you could turn the muscle on to your side (by pretending to be his daughter). In fact, something just occurred to me. Earlier you said that Tetsugorō has had his silver eye since the Silver Case, which I believe took place in 1979, right? Now, Toriko is in Jr. High School, which should make her around 14, and FSR is supposed to take place when? 2001 or so? That timeline I saw didn't show a date for FSR. Anyway, we know that Tetsugorō had the proper genetics to accept a Silver Eye, which means that Toriko had them (like the Sundances and the Hachisukas). What if Toriko somehow acquired a Silver Eye, and then had Shimohira transmigrated into her body. That would make the Toriko from FSR the for real Toriko, and still be Shimohira. Which would mean very dire things for anyone on Sumio's side that works with Toriko in Ward 25. (Like Koshimizu) I feel that Sakura Natsume is a bit more important than Tetsuguro. Mainly because there seems to be a lot of story focus on her character. (Tetsu gets a lot of story focus as well, but he doesn't drive the story forward as much a Sakura & Tokio do.) You get the impression that she's always handling all these cases behind the scenes even though you don't see her much. She's like an intelligence/information warfare type. The reason why the first Silver Case focused so much on Tetsuguro was because he played an integral role in the original Silver Case murder. He's part of the reason why the death of Fujiwara kamui was covered up as the Silver Case. (Though it may be unintentional on Tetsuguro's part.) Maybe, but one thing I like about Suda 51 is that while he always puts little stingers in his games after the credits (Tamura, Tetsugorō's reveal, 100 Years Later, the Real Ending), they are usually not throwaway scenes (like "Ooh! The bad guy is still alive after all! Shocking!"). They are still important scenes that relate to the plot of the game. Heck, in the Tamura scene in the Silver Case, isn't it just Akira and Tetsugorō in the café until after the credits are done rolling, when it's revealed that Sakura and that other guy are there too? (By the way, Tetsugorō in the café had the same shirt on as he does in FSR and is almost in the same pose. I have a picture of that scene saved on my computer.) I don't think they'd put Tetsugorō at the end of FSR, and have half of the game focused on his daughter if Suda 51 didn't think he was still important. I would normally doubt Sakura would work with Sumio. She knows what kind of a person Sumio really is. Didn't you say that she was the one who actually interrogated him, according to "#4.5 FACE"? And yet in Ward 25, there's clearly a picture of the two of them standing next to each other. Neither one of them look to happy about it, though. Maybe Sakura realized that since Sumio has KATHARINE, he's the only one she could possibly use as a Kamui regresser. I highly doubt that she has anything to do with FSO. Sakura is employed under the CCO, and works directly for Michiru Kousaka who manages the business affairs of the CCO Central Police Consultation room. (All the 24 Ward detectives are either employed for TRO, or CCO. During the timeframe of the original SC game.) While the game calls them Wards, I like to think of them as precincts. Ward 24 was one precinct, and was headed by the Chief of Police, Kaoru Hachisuka (who was actually Uminosuke). But after the events of Parade, Sumio had to be investigated and charged, and any smart police force wouldn't get someone from their own team. They would get someone from Internal Affairs, or from a different precinct altogether. A quick skim of Wikipedia seems to indicate that the Japanese police system is similar to this, but not quite so distinct. Anyway, does it say anywhere that Sakura is specifically from Ward 24? Never mind, this website seems to indicate she's just from another division of Ward 24's government. Still, after the mess that occured in LifeCut, there probably isn't much left of the Ward 24 police department. Maybe Ward 25's police were brought in to keep order, and most surviving members of Ward 24's police were brought onboard Ward 25's team. Daigo was the leader of the Republic Peace Special Forces. They're like a Swat team/Self Defense Army. Kaoru Hachisuka (Who we now know is Uminosuke.) is the police commissioner of the entire 24 Ward police force. Which means that he could assume control of the Republic Peace Special Forces if he wanted, but it would be pretty hard with the Natsume's still in power. Hold on. Whatever happened to Uminosuke? Kaizu Enzawa was that guy that Akira and Tetsugorō ran into at the top of the TV Tower, spinning in his chair. Anyway, that description makes the Natsume group sound like a paramilitary force. The Natsume's seem to either have a vast intelligence network, or they probably have high analytical ability. I believe this because both father & daughter have uncovered some pretty big leads during the games they're in. (Daigo talks about FSR during his deathbed. Sakura talks about Kamui.) That would explain why they brought Sakura in to interrogate Sumio. She could keep a good track of everything he says, and call him on his inconsistencies. Tokio Morishima is the guy who was given the notebook by Morikawa that contained classified information about the Silver Case. This is the information that contains the actual events of what happened, and not the commonly accepted account of Silver Case. This is the evidence that Tokio used to put Uminosuke behind bars. Although I've read somewhere that Uminosuke is dead now. BTW Tokio always had a silver eye, because he's a Hachisuka. Oh. Never mind that stuff before, then. If Uminosuke is dead, does that make Tokio the only surviving Hachisuka? Silver eyes only grant you immortality. Meaning that you can't die from old age. It's similar to the True runes that's used in Suikoden. http://www.suikosource.com/editorials/archives/2005/04/true_rune_theories.php So I doubt that Tetsuguro was granted with infinite lives. His fighting ability is assumed to be natural. I was just joking with the infinite lives. But what is the purpose of all of those Shelter Circus buildings the Tramps were found in? There seemed to be a lot of Silver Case lore in all of the little rooms, and there were also little cubbyholes for people to sleep. Were these facilities designed to hold Shelter Children? Anyway, where I was going before is if those are shelter children facilities, maybe they have storehouses of stock bodies Tetsugorō's mind could have migrated to if he was killed. The only problem with that is that FSR makes it clear that when you transmigrate your mind into a stock body, you don't retain your own body's shape. In English they're usually spelled without the U, because the U is silent. I spell them with a u anyway, because I have a bad habit of adding a u after every o. (armour instead of armor, kanou instead of kano.) I know. I think the macrons look better, so I prefer to use those. I have a list of the Unicode commands for macron vowels taped to the bottom of my monitor. I used two walkthroughs. http://bh.vis.ne.jp/gamedata/moonlight/index.html http://www.ne.jp/asahi/weekly/yumetama/moonlightsyndrome/story.html This one isn't really a walkthrough, but it chronicles most of the events in game. So you'll have a pretty good idea of where your at as long as you follow this link as a guidline. (and refer to the first link for puzzles or whenever you get stuck. I've bookmarked those sites, too. I'll have to use those as references like I used that one Silver Case website you linked to in an earlier thread. Officially Stephan was -*test*-('")ing Sumio's character, and used yayoi as part of a bet. If you mean that Yayoi insulted Stpehan, then yes that's certainly a possibility. Although Stephan's dialogue doesn't indicate anything personal against her. (His personal mannerisms speak otherwise.) There's not any evidence of Yayoi being up to no good during FSR. Ah, that's what that was all about. Stephan kept doing things that made Sumio angry. First he sends him on a wild goose chase that prevents him from getting to the airport, then he says he's poisoned Yayoi, then he steals Sumio's car! Those are a few chapters of FSR I need to replay again. Finally, like I said at the beginning, thanks for the link to the site. Figuring out those questions would make a good project after I'm done with the Character Profiles. Unfortunately, I didn't get any of them done today. I'll do a few tomorrow. I'll try for Sue, Step, and Mati, in that order.

I just found a sc site that I never seen that corrects some stuff that I said earlier. Here's the link. http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/silvercase/CharacterFile.htm I'm still skimming through it. Edit: This isn't a new site. It's merely the side A non spoiler section of a website that I always reference, lol. Correction about Taru Munaka. He's a double agent who happens to be a director general of the TRO. He was the head of the ayame Shimohira mass production plan. He was supposed to be a hardened killer on par with the likes of Tetsuguro, but Tetsuguro killed him with ease. As for Tetsuguro he has a wife named Akemi and of course a daughter named Toriko. He's a caring family man. You've gone on and on about how Killer7 ended up being kind of a remake of the Silver Case, and there's another thing to that. Garcian's vision ring enables him to see the Heaven Smiles, so I can't help but compare him to Sumio, and the ring to KATHARINE, able to detect the truth of things. Of course, that would mean that Killer7 uses ideas from FSR, too. But then, Sundance was supposed to be in K7, and he looked like he did in FSR. Yet another similarity that both Sumio & Emir share. Personally I see a lot of similarities from MS,SC, & FSR in K7. (The brown bags containing heads & the tv monitors with spirits living inside them came from Moonlight Syndrome's ending.) Yeah, she might initially have held more of a grudge against Tokio, if he didn't go run and hide on Lospass. If he actually tried to do something to stop the Hachisukas instead of hiding out on, let's face it, his own family's resort. It seemed like Tokio knew exactly what he was doing during his appearance in FSR, he just didn't bother to tell anybody what he was up to. Tokio came to save (or procure) the hyenas for Elbow. (At least that's what it says during the epilogue.) Why did he do so, I have no idea. Although it sure makes Ed Macalister look like a chump, and that it was actually Macalister's fault for going rogue. Tokio was the guy who was basically piecing everything together & solving the mystery of the Silver Case. He always saw another side of the story that Akira, Tetsuguro, Sumio did not. (This is what he does during the Placebo reports.) Tetsuguro may have done all the legwork going around killing people trying to solve SC as well. All he got was NEZ, the man who controlled most of the city as a proxy for Kaoru Hachisuka. Tetsuguro ended up being stuck with the WTF ending for all his efforts. (The part where Tetsuguro messed up is that he caught up to & killed Morikawa a couple minutes after Morikawa gave the notebook to Tokio. Which is made even worse since you actually pass by Tokio after he was given the notebook.) Whereas Tokio's final level shows him going on vacation after solving the silver case. (Through the notebook that his family gave him.) In both SC, & FSR we see Sumio & Tetsu both wasting their time barely getting anything accomplished. Tetsu never found Toriko. Sumio finally found his identity, & let Sundance's race die off or something, lol. (I'm assuming all those Sumio clones during the ending were also Sundances.) The only person who actually gets stuff done happened to be Tokio Morishima once again. (He was the only who actually completed his mission.) If Toriko is in fact Shimohira than that means that Sumio & Tetsu were manipulated once again. (In SC they happened to be hanging out with Kamui all along.) This leads back to what I was saying when I claim that the good guys are usually worse than the bad guys in Suda's games. (Even though they may not be intentionally trying to be evil.) In fact, something just occurred to me. Earlier you said that Tetsugorō has had his silver eye since the Silver Case, which I believe took place in 1979, right? Now, Toriko is in Jr. High School, which should make her around 14, and FSR is supposed to take place when? 2001 or so? That timeline I saw didn't show a date for FSR. The timeline is posted at the Moonlight Sydrome wiki. 1990.11 凶悪犯罪課設立 1991.02 「ランニングオフ」クサビ、イシカワ担当 1992.11 「ロイヤルナイン」クサビ、モリカワ担当。コバヤカワ、イシカワ殉職 1994.04 「パワーガール」スミオ配属、初担当事件 1996.12 「スティルタウン」一斉処分。クサビ、モリカワ担当 1997.10 「ムーン」ナカテガワ担当 1998.07 「ガスキッズ」クサビ、スミオ担当 1999.01 「プレ・ルナティック」（『ムーンライトシンドローム』） 1999.01 「ルナティックス」（『シルバー事件』） 1999.03 「デコイマン」（『シルバー事件』） 1999.05 「アフターカムイ」スミオ、ハチスカ担当 1999.06 「スペクトラム」（『シルバー事件』） 1999.07 「パレード」（『シルバー事件』） 1999.08 「カムイドローム」（『シルバー事件』） 1999.?? 「フェイス」サクラ担当 1999.11 「ライフカット」（『シルバー事件』） 2000.01 2000年問題対応。サクラ担当 2000~ 「ラヴァーズ」クサビ、コウサカ、サクラ担当 ******* 「モンドアンドランド」（『花と太陽と雨と』） ******* 「ハイエナショット」クサビ、スミオ担当 ******* 「ライフアンドマネー」スミオ、コシミズ担当 ******* 「アニマルハンティング」クサビ、サクラ、スミオ、コウサカ、コシミズ担当 ******* 「ドアロック」クサビ、スミオ、コウサカ、サクラ担当 ******* 「エンジェルＸ」スミオ担当 ******* 「トリプルキッス」サクラ担当 ******* 「カットドクター」サカグチ、クサビ、サクラ、スミオ、コウサカ、コシミズ担当 ******* 「コール」クサビ担当 2001.12.24 モンドが探し屋になる I always assumed that FSR took place around the same time Sumio becomes a searcher. I'm not even sure where all those cases come from. (I assume that they're from the novel.) Some of them are mentioned in game, but I never heard of any of those non dated cases at all. Though your right FSR never did show its date. Still I don't believe that the time frame would be any longer than 4 years ahead of SC. Sumio was 26 in sc, & Tetsuguro was 44 during sc. (I guess he was in his 20's during the SC murders, even though he still looked old as hell back then.) Anyway, we know that Tetsugorō had the proper genetics to accept a Silver Eye, which means that Toriko had them (like the Sundances and the Hachisukas). What if Toriko somehow acquired a Silver Eye, and then had Shimohira transmigrated into her body. That would make the Toriko from FSR the for real Toriko, and still be Shimohira. Which would mean very dire things for anyone on Sumio's side that works with Toriko in Ward 25. (Like Koshimizu) Hmm could be. It makes sense. IMO Toriko could turn out to be another goddess of the SC pantheon. Suda words most of his answers about Toriko as if it really is Toriko. Whereas characters like Tokio have been hinted at being the actual Kamui. (I have no opinion on that.) Thinking about if he is Kamui then would that mean Toriko would've recognized him? (They never met each other at FSR.) Well anyway, I'm still pondering if Toriko is supposed to be Marionette mother. Kaoru Hachisuka, Sundance, Daizaburo, She's the only one missing from the big 4 shown in the SC instruction manual. There's a grandma of a tobacco shop called the Muholand Grandmother. So I'm guessing they have some kind of connection with each other. I have no idea who Muholand mother is, because there's zero information about her. I guess Suda must've forgot about her. (Or she may play a bigger role during SC 25 ward. She wasn't even mentioned much during SC. At least nowhere near to the extent that Kaoru was.) Maybe, but one thing I like about Suda 51 is that while he always puts little stingers in his games after the credits (Tamura, Tetsugorō's reveal, 100 Years Later, the Real Ending) I don't think they'd put Tetsugorō at the end of FSR, and have half of the game focused on his daughter if Suda 51 didn't think he was still important. Suda's worlds are usually a lot bigger in scope than most game worlds. They hardly ever center around one person, or one group of people. (Key example, The MGS series. All the majour characters that were controlliing all the events came from MGS3.) Suda on the other normally introduces a new set of faces, kills them off, and the survivors end up being the mains until they die off, and eventually get replaced with another. The only characters who seem to be constant are Sumio & Tokio. (You need to play his Placebo side of the story in SC to really get an idea of how much work he's actually done in formulating the stories for his reports.) Tetsuguro can still be influential even without physically being in the plot. (Which I guess is what they're doing with SC 25 Ward.) I just don't believe that we'll ever see much of Tetsuguro again unless Suda makes a 3d action/adv game out of SC. (Which would be perfect for someone like Tetsuguro.) IMO, Tetsuguro is just lucky that he's still alive. Suda protagonists have a tendency to die off once their role has been completed. Yukari,Chisato,Mika starred in three games. They all died in MS. Ryo the real hero of MS, died in SC. Most of the SC cast died in their own game, The Killer 7 died before their game even started, etc. I mean sure they may have saved the world or their city once or twice, but that didn't stop them from dying like chumps as if they were random nobodies. Think back to Emir's flashbacks when he killed the Killer 7. That's usually how most of Suda's heroes die off. They just flop down dead in a pool of their own blood in a realistic manner. (Yukari the lead heroine of the two TS games that Suda51 directed actually had her body crushed between the school entrance doors during the final level/epilogue of moonlight syndrome.) Which is why I felt it would've been cool had Emir bit the bucket inside Travis's bathroom, because it continues the long tradition of heroes dying like cannon fodder. It adds a sense of realism that shows that nobody in Suda's games are immune. Anybody can die, at anytime. The only Suda protagonist who didn't die immediately was Chisato Itushima. I would normally doubt Sakura would work with Sumio. She knows what kind of a person Sumio really is. I always got the impression that Sakura was merely reporting her findings, rather than voicing out her personal distaste for the man. (I don't believe that she harbours any personal bias against sumio at all.) Most of the cops in SC 25 ward are crooked in the first place so she's probably used to it. (She's kinda crooked herself.) Her father Daigo, & Tetsuguro were part of the rare few who weren't backstabbing,double crossing, or manipulating anybody. Sakura was only a rookie by the time she appeared in SC. (Though she turned out to be one of the more prominent roles even though she only physically appeared in the last case.) She most likely has even more prominence then she already had by the time SC 25 ward begins. Didn't you say that she was the one who actually interrogated him, according to "#4.5 FACE"? And yet in Ward 25, there's clearly a picture of the two of them standing next to each other. Neither one of them look to happy about it, though. I always assumed that they were looking at something gruesome or what not. SC25Ward's art style is grimy & decadent in the first place. I don't remember seeing anybody who didn't look gloomy in SC25 Ward. Whenever somebody did smile it was usually a long eerie Joker like smile. It's said that Sakura interrogated Sumio while he was in prison during 4.5(novel). Supposedly their talks with one another resembled Hannibal Lecter & Clarice. So you can imagine what that may have looked like. (Some kind of competitive/rivalry love/hate relationship.) If the Dr. Lecter like relationship is to be believed than it infers that they have a professional, business like relationship with one another. (They're not chummy like Tetsu & Sumio, but at least they actually get along with each other unlike Chizuru & Sakura.) A quick skim of Wikipedia seems to indicate that the Japanese police system is similar to this, but not quite so distinct. Anyway, does it say anywhere that Sakura is specifically from Ward 24? The Felonious group (The force that you play for.) is part of the TRO, Sakura was transferred from CCO Republic special peace forces. (Similar to what happened to Akira during decoyman.) The original level, Lunatics was a joint effort between Felonious (Tetsuguro), & the Republic peace special forces. (Which also includes Akira.) Due to the severity of the crimes being committed by Ryo Kazan. Still, after the mess that occured in LifeCut, there probably isn't much left of the Ward 24 police department. Maybe Ward 25's police were brought in to keep order, and most surviving members of Ward 24's police were brought onboard Ward 25's team. TRO & FSO seem to be kaput, but CCO is still active. (Most of the people who died were part of the TRO faction.) Sakura still reports to Michiru Kousaka of ward 24 in the SC 25 Ward game. I'm guessing the rest of the new characters are from Ward 25. Sumio seems to be a free agent now so he's not bound by a district, and Tokio seems to always work by himself... and his pet turtle. Considering that he's just a writer/ex journalist. (He's pretty damn buff for a writer though.) Hold on. Whatever happened to Uminosuke? Kaizu Enzawa was that guy that Akira and Tetsugorō ran into at the top of the TV Tower, spinning in his chair. That was Nez, the Hachisuka's right hand man. You never see Kaoru or Uminosuke, and you need to play the final Placebo report to hear what happened to Uminosuke. Tokio escapes with the silver eye. (I guess this means the eye that Uminosuke had. So you were right about Tokio running off with the eye.) Kaizu Enzawa died during one of Tokio's placebo reports. He was killed by Shimohira when Enzawa tried to kill Tokio. I think it was Shimohira... anyway I never understood what happened at that part. Tokio closes his eyes expecting to get shot only to see that Enzaw dies in front of his eyes. Anyway, that description makes the Natsume group sound like a paramilitary force. Correct. Remember the swat teams from Lunatics & Decoyman. They're the Republic peace special forces. The problem with the RPSF is that Daigo Natsume wasn't a corruptible man. I'm not sure if the Hachisuka really did plan Daigo's death. Daigo was killed by that 20 yr. old Uehara Kamui. Who we later find out was being controlled by Shimohira. So Daigo was really killed by Ayame Shimohira. So that means that Daigo was killed randomly simply because he was doing his job trying to detain Kamui when he was trying to escape. Oh. Never mind that stuff before, then. If Uminosuke is dead, does that make Tokio the only surviving Hachisuka? Yeah that's what I said several times in the past due to some dialogue I've read from Ritz, but who knows. Anyway, where I was going before is if those are shelter children facilities, maybe they have storehouses of stock bodies Tetsugorō's mind could have migrated to if he was killed. The only problem with that is that FSR makes it clear that when you transmigrate your mind into a stock body, you don't retain your own body's shape. Good question, too bad I don't know enough to have an answer. As for the TV tower, yes you could say that it was some kind of kamui mass production facility. That's the place where you kill Nez. (He's the guy that spins around in his chair. He created most of that tech.)

Correction about Taru Munaka. He's a double agent who happens to be a director general of the TRO. He was the head of the ayame Shimohira mass production plan. That's interesting. So the TRO were mass-producing Shimohiras and the CCO were mass-producing Kamuis? As for Tetsuguro he has a wife named Akemi and of course a daughter named Toriko. He's a caring family man. Do you know what happened to his wife? If the Toriko from FSR is the real Toriko, just possessed by Shimohira, then we know where she is, but this is the first I've ever heard about a wife. It seemed like Tokio knew exactly what he was doing during his appearance in FSR, he just didn't bother to tell anybody what he was up to. Tokio came to save (or procure) the hyenas for Elbow. (At least that's what it says during the epilogue.) Why did he do so, I have no idea. Although it sure makes Ed Macalister look like a chump, and that it was actually Macalister's fault for going rogue. This is also interesting. I had always thought that Tokio turned against his own family and came to Lospass (which his family owned) in order to escape their legacy, but if he came there to harvest hyenas himself, he's actually continuing their legacy, just for ELBOW instead. Maybe that's how he turned against his family, he started working for a more powerful agency. In both SC, & FSR we see Sumio & Tetsu both wasting their time barely getting anything accomplished. Tetsu never found Toriko. Sumio finally found his identity, & let Sundance's race die off or something, lol. (I'm assuming all those Sumio clones during the ending were also Sundances.) Yeah. Toriko must not have been ready to meet with Tetsugorō, or maybe he never bothered to check the hotel, or his disguise was too good. Hold on, is it possible that he might have known that something could be taking control of Toriko, and didn't want it to recognize him? Anyway, rather than let the Sundance tribe die, he just ruined their only worthwhile plan in twenty-something years. Ritz might think of something, given enough time, or maybe Sundance himself could convince Remy to help her tribe. After Sundance was arrested and word of remaining members of the Sundance tribe on Lospass spread back home, you would think Daizaburō would send someone down there to "disappear" them. But as you'll see in just a bit, there are still crypto-Sundances out there. If Toriko is in fact Shimohira than that means that Sumio & Tetsu were manipulated once again. (In SC they happened to be hanging out with Kamui all along.) This leads back to what I was saying when I claim that the good guys are usually worse than the bad guys in Suda's games. (Even though they may not be intentionally trying to be evil.) That's exactly what I was thinking. Your player avatar (Sumio) in FSR serves no point and eventually gets screwed over in the end. Kinda like how the end of Killer7 was determined in Sunset, and you couldn't do anything to change it. Sumio attains a minor victory (remembering himself, leaving Lospass, and defusing all of the bombs) at the expense of major losses (Sundance's tribe, Ritz's plans, Tokio's hyenas). I always assumed that FSR took place around the same time Sumio becomes a searcher. I'm not even sure where all those cases come from. (I assume that they're from the novel.) Some of them are mentioned in game, but I never heard of any of those non dated cases at all. Though your right FSR never did show its date. Still I don't believe that the time frame would be any longer than 4 years ahead of SC. Sumio was 26 in sc, & Tetsuguro was 44 during sc. (I guess he was in his 20's during the SC murders, even though he still looked old as hell back then.) Those unnamed cases are strange and have strange names. I thought, when I ran one through a translator and ended up with "Angel X" that they might be the Killer7 Targets attached to the Silver Case timeline, but none of the others sound close. They don't even match any of the names I recognize from Ward 25, but I bet that's where they're from. Maybe not actually Ward 25 cases, but ones mentioned there. Anyway, the Silver Case took place in 1999, which is also when the game came out. I think FSR takes place in 2001, if only because the previous game took place the same year the game itself was released. Of course, that would mean Sumio had only 2 years to get out of prison, acquire KATHARINE and his cool car, and decide to go to Lospass. Which makes me wonder, everyone always says that Sumio chose to forget his Kodai identity, but what if he was actually forced to forget it? I mean, what if he was brainwashed? I just don't see how he could get out of prison for conspiracy and mass murder in only 2 years (heck, even 4), unless he was brainwashed into "Sumio Mondo" and then turned into a private investigator. Thinking about if he is Kamui then would that mean Toriko would've recognized him? (They never met each other at FSR.) Well anyway, I'm still pondering if Toriko is supposed to be Marionette mother. I think they would have recognized each other. But then, Tokio did have a room in the hotel. It was on a different floor than Toriko's, I think, but still. But Kamui and Shimohira are on the same side, so meeting up wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Anyway, yeah, I don't know anything about Marionette Mother either. Like you said, there is no info about her in any of the games so far. Marionette Mother, as a name, implies a puppetmistress. (You need to play his Placebo side of the story in SC to really get an idea of how much work he's actually done in formulating the stories for his reports.) Tetsuguro can still be influential even without physically being in the plot. (Which I guess is what they're doing with SC 25 Ward.) I just don't believe that we'll ever see much of Tetsuguro again unless Suda makes a 3d action/adv game out of SC. (Which would be perfect for someone like Tetsuguro.) I know. I'm going to play the Placebo reports eventually. And an action game set in the Silver Case's world would be pretty cool (especially since that's what I was hoping NMH was). That was Nez, the Hachisuka's right hand man. You never see Kaoru or Uminosuke, and you need to play the final Placebo report to hear what happened to Uminosuke. Tokio escapes with the silver eye. (I guess this means the eye that Uminosuke had. So you were right about Tokio running off with the eye.) Ah. I thought the guy spinning in the chair looked like the picture of Enzawa from the Character Chart. And that seems to mean that the Silver Eye Tokio had when Sumio met him in FSR is the very same one that used to be in his "father's" head? That's kinda weird. Anyway, if Shimohira killed Enzawa before he could kill Tokio, that lends some more weight to the Tokio-is-Kamui theory, because Shimohira was always protecting Kamui (wasn't she?). And to that end, if might be Kamui that's collecting hyenas for ELBOW, and not Tokio himself. Maybe the two sides are fighting against each other, but that sounds too Metal Gear-ish. As for the TV tower, yes you could say that it was some kind of kamui mass production facility. That's the place where you kill Nez. (He's the guy that spins around in his chair. He created most of that tech.) Is Nez some kind of boy genius? He looked like a kid spinning around in the chair. Anyway, if Nez is part of the TRO, then odds are he probably built a lot of the technology Lospass runs on, too. And if Nez was running the TV tower, I wonder if that fits in with the already-established soul-containing powers of the TVs from Moonlight Syndrome and Killer7. I mentioned something earlier about crypto-Sundances. In case you're not familiar with the idea, here's a Wikipedia article on crypto-Jews. Crypto-Sundances are essentially the same thing. People from the Sundance tribe that Ritz (or someone like her with the same prestige and responsibility) conscripted from the actual tribe and stored somewhere else. The difference between someone like Remy and a crypto-Sundance is that the crypto-Sundance knows who they are. Remy had no clue she was related to the Sundance tribe until she found "herself" underneath Lospass. I don't know how many crypto-Sundances there are in FSR, but I do know of at least one... In "Clair de Lune" she interrupts Sumio's daily routine by hiding under his bed and tripping him after he wakes up. Then she makes him go to the lighthouse to see what face the moon is in. Then when he gets back, she calls him on the phone and asks him to meet her on the roof. The ominous music plays when Sumio gets to the roof, and then Sundance shows up and we all know what happens next. It's clear that Sue led Sumio to the roof for Sundance. I was trying to figure out why she would do that, since at the time it didn't seem like she had any reason to even know Sundance at all. I thought Sue was trying to stop the time loop, and made the connection between Sumio and the loop, so she thought if she could get someone to kill him, time would flow normally. But like I said, how would she know Sundance would be willing to do that? Sundance has been living on Lospass for around 20 years (since the original Silver Case back in '79), and Sue never left the island, so it makes sense they would know each other. And if a Sundance has "tribal intuition", then Sue would have felt something strange inside of her when they met. I think that's how Sue became a crypto-Sundance. Anyway, I started forming this opinion when I saw It explicitly mentions she's Sue's foster mother. "スーの育ての親." I did one more Character Profile. This explains why Step took KATHARINE. He just has a habit of stealing things. Maybe he stole that Silver Eye of his, too. And maybe the bomb that blew up the spice shop. Here's the original text for these: SUE SDING スー・スディン 一度も島を出た ことがない. 居眠リが癖. 職業 : ホテル従業員 出身 : ロスパス島 MATI SDING マチ・スディン スーの育ての親. ダイナーでも 働いている. 職業 : ホテル従業員 出身 : ロスパス島 STEP SDING ステップ・スディン こそ泥やスリの 常習者. マチの息子. 職業 : フリーター 出身 : ロスパス島