You should start a whip club, I heard those are huge right now.
Holy shit, you mean to tell me that the Japanese media is run by foreign propagandists? And I thought Fox News was bad...This coincides with the whole "secret Japanese members" theme in Killer 7. In real life as I said many times before this refer to a cult of Zainichi residents who have infilrated the Japanese government as Japanese citizens but in reality they are actually of North Korean descent. Killer 7 had a similar concept brewing, but instead of Koreans infiltrating & underming Japan it was Japanese or Japanese alligned indivduals infiltrating the United States government. (One such individual would be Garcian Smith when he was kid.)
I've been hearing in lots of places that the conservatives were the ones in power, and you're telling me they have no influence at all? This is too confusing...You'd also be surprised to hear that most Japanese get shocked & surprised when they find out that the world around them thinks they are controlled by right wing extremist fascists. Could you elaborate where you heard such details from? I used to believe that Japan was controlled by the extrme right myself, until I decided to haer the Japanese side of the story, because when you're living in Japan the place really does not feel as crazy as internet claims & the world wide media makes the country out to be. As far as I know most of the news I hear about Japan in the english media is slanderous at best, since they base most of their perceptions & views based on what they have heard from China or Korea. Most of what is recorded in the English media have been strongly influenced by exaggerated claims & allegations being attributed to Japan by foreign Asian nations. I agree with the views being expressed by the man that I quoted, because unlike most foreigners not only has he lived in Japan since 1983, but he also speaks & reads Japanese at a native level, so it's easier for him rather than some 3rd rate journalists (who often misreports about events that may have been lost in translation) to actually comprehend the full gravity of the situation in Asia. He's actually not alone in his perception about the political situation in Asia since most foreigners who have spent some excessive time in Japan also conclude to the same exact view points as him.
Commies and fascists. Is Japan overrun with these people?Read his article over again. He's just describing the types of people that his Yakuza friend is employed for & how the Yakuza could care less who they are as long as they pay him good money. The blogger said it in a sarcastic manner, because in general nobody pays attention to those people. Neither did I,obnoxious & loud at first,yes. But you soon tune them out like the rest of Japan. If people in Japan actually did agree with their views I doubt that they(Commies,Fascists) would be as loud & pretentious as they are in the first place. Like I said before most Japanese are liberals. Whom honestly don't care about politics, and whenever they do they usually just blame everything on the government. (Like a typical liberal.) They are more worried about the la-*test*-('") gossip of their favorite celebrity from what clothes they are wearing to the new girlfriend/boyfriend said celebrity may be going out with. These comments from some blog
jion999 said: “I hope the Japanese people start showing more interest in the Takeshima-Dokdo dispute because knowledge and education can help stop the anti-Japanese propaganda coming out of Korea . “
Many Japanese people have started to have interest not only in Takesima dispute but also in Korea itself since 2002 World Cup. The point is Japanese government is very negative to confront with ROK when Japan needs its help regarding N.Korea problem. In short, friendly relationship between Japan and ROK is more important than poor Shimane fishermen for Japanese politicians so far. If Japanese government starts to point out the distortion of ROK over Takeshima loudly, Korean will be enraged and Japan-ROK relationship will be damaged a lot temporally. We have to do it someday to dissolve the disputes between both countries completely. But, it is important to find the correct timing.
void said: Frankly, it is the biggest problem of us Japanese that most of Japanese haven’t have interest on this issue. Korean’s anti-Japanese education system has made anti-Japanese peoples for last 60 years. Then, their anti-Japanese-educated teachers teach their next generations now. I guess most of them can do these anti-Japanese propaganda with sence of justice.
ponta said: This article by Gerry is very educational for Japanese people. I think in general Japanese people (and Japanese government) are too apathetic about Dokdo, Korean anti-Japan-ism and Korea. All of whom are also elaborating about how in general the average Japanese does not care about politcs.Not once have I ever seen or heard of some ultra right wing militarization demonstration or what not ever occurring. (When I was in Japan.) The closest I've ever seen to right wing fascists are Yakuza, & that's about it. (It should be noted that I view yakuza as more or less patriots rather than fascists, since they do a better job of playing the part of a politician than the actual politicians of Japan. However I do remember hearing about a pro-*test*-('") by the Japanese gay community to ban a King Giddra song. (The one that had Anna Ohura in it.) Before I forget it's because Japan's citizens ignored the political situation in asia for so long that they are trapped in the cage that they are in now.
Wow. After reading all this stuff you've talked about, I'd have to say Japanese politics seems pretty fucked up. The Killer7 political system seems disturbingly sane by comparison.
And yeah after reading your posts, I believe the K7 political themes are more tame than the real world counterparts. What makes me more interested in the political K7 side is how immediate the effects were. Despite it being a fictional world, the countires did act fast. Once Fukushima was out of the picture those fireworks got launched. Matsuken quickly became head of the Yakumo following the deaths of the "old blood." Even though there were outside forces at work...Nah I think they are the same. Killer 7 just didn't have enough time to delve & fully develop the story. Hence why Matsuken came off like some magical ass problem solver rather than just an angry politician who wanted to wage war on the United States for abandoning his country for dead. If Fukushima were still alive I think the story of Killer 7 would've ended with both the Unoted States & Japan in co prosperity with each other rather than the two trying to destroy each other. Unlike Matsuken, Fukushima seemed to be calm & rational & his goal was to hand over the Yakumo to the United States as a condition in order to convince the United States to fire off the "fireworks". After that was said & done Fukushima probably would've placed most of his focus on the real threat rather than trying to undermine American national security. While Matsuken is also rational, you could tell that he's pretty much pissed off more at the United States for backstabbing his country rather than the countries that just tried to bomb his coountry to hell. Fact of the matter is the real enemy was neither the U.S. or Japan. The real enemy was in asia where the nukes were launched. This is the reason IMO that Harman & Kun Lan rematerialized in Shanghai. The origin of the conflict in Killer 7. (It's kinda funny how much sense this game makes, once you look at it through a political perspective. Since most people think that Harman & Kun appearing in Shanghai was random as hell.) It always makes moi wonder what Killer 7 would've been like if they had enough resources to make a game out of the HIK 7 story. Since that version actually does get more detailed with it's political thought process. Even some of the Smiths get assassinated due to their political ties. (KAEDE for example who was Matsuken's girlfriend for a time.) The only reason why the real life version seems crazier is because it is actually happening as we speak. I must let it be knwon though that the Japan being portrayed in Killer 7 is more of a reflection of Japan from the imperial days. Today the only country I've seen that even looks similar to "Imperalist Japan" is modern day Korea. Japanese style WW II school kid brainwashing http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=1236 http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2007/01/02/becoming-that-which-you-hate/#more-5 BTW I wouldn't describe this whole situation as Japanese politics, since most Japanese politics revolves around idol & celebrity worship. Ah yeah & scracthing their asses & pretending to look productive. Honestly I'm kinda offended by how most people in the world think that Japan is actually that corrupt & controlled by some Neo facist organization that is planning to remilitarize & put Asia through hell again. In my opinion that's the fantasy. (Besides that situation is more likely to erupt from China or Korea.) For real though, the Yakuza have more chance of raising an actual army than the Japanese government does. When in reality Japanese politics are exactly as Toru Fukushima says they are. "Actors who only pretend to be politicians." Fukushima is disgusted at his own country, because they don't have the ability to take their job seriously. Which is also shown in Killer 7 by the death of the two Japanese liberals that were caught cheating during the Sunset 2 cutscene. (The mexican stand off between the U.S. & Japanese representatives.) IMO the only crime Japanese politicians have ever made is that they are too inept & or lazy for the job. I simply call this political quagmire as Asian politics since the three key players (China,Korea, & Japan. India is also another big player, but they aren't acting retarded like the other 3.) are all using the same tactic of "disinformation & manipulation of the human psyche" to the masses. Japan tries to do it through logic, & reason, whereas Korea & China have suceeded by manipulating the mind,ego & nationalism of the masses. To the point that even foreiners outside of Asia have also conformed to the same view of asia that has been propagated by China & Korea. More or less Japan is only reacting to what Korea & China have been doing to them ever since WW II ended.
Could you elaborate where you heard such details from?Everywhere. I've always heard the government's run by a bunch of right-wing extremists who refuse to let go of the old ways. Then again, I've also heard the government's made up of a bunch of celebrities who are simply there to look good, so I'm not really sure anyone's running it at all. I suppose it's probably the result of all that propaganda you talk about, combined with the lack of actual knowledge by most foreigners. Hell, the only things about Japan they ever teach in school is how 'evil' they were in World War II, and that they're now a U.S. ally leading in technology. Basically, yet another dramaticized story over how the actions of the U.S. brought stability and integrity to another country. As for Americans' opinion of Japan, most feel they still deserve to pay for Pearl Harbor, something they refuse to let go. So in that sense, a lot of Americans aren't that different from Korean nationalists. And on the issue of Pearl Harbor, I actually heard the Japanese gave several warnings that they were planning to attack. Can't really say the same thing with Nagasaki. I've always wondered why the world was so quick to forget the horrors of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, since it was the only time nukes were used on people in history. All this talk about infiltrating a foreign nation's government kind of reminds me of Schwarzenagger wanting to change the rule about needing to be American-born in order to become president. After all you've said about how much influence Korea has in Japanese politics, a foreign-born president now sounds like it could actually be a reason for concern. Especially with the recent report I heard of a man and his wife who held positions as professors at a respected university being convicted of being spies for the Cuban government after moving here over 30 years ago. If someone can live here that long and still be an undercover spy, it makes you wonder how much power they could be trusted to hold. Though I suppose a foreigner would never be elected as president, since we still haven't elected anything but rich white christian men.
They are more worried about the la-*test*-('") gossip of their favorite celebrity from what clothes they are wearing to the new girlfriend/boyfriend said celebrity may be going out with.That sounds pretty pathetic, I'm glad it's nothing like that in America. Reading all your posts, it actually sounds like the Yakuza might be the only hope for Japan, as insane as that sounds, since they seem to be the only people in the entire country with any power that seem to still have balls.
Wasn't it the liberal party?Yup!!
but I was curious if someone specific in the game paid her and De Paul to kill Fukushima/find the Yakumo.Depaul was hired to sabotage the United States/Japan peace talks & kill Julia & Fukushima, but Julia popped Fukushima first, & the Killer 7 killed her right after. (Hah hah, Depaul's pathetic. He failed every single objective that he was sent out to do. Luckily for him the United States backstabbed Japan & killed the Japanese liberals so he wasn't really needed in the first place.) BTW Depaul is hired by a 3rd party unrelated to Japan or the United States known as the "International Ethics Committee" (The following is an excerpt from HIK7.) The International Ethics Committee is a peace-keeping organization that mediates in international conflict. The IEC intends to make the United States attack Japan. The International Ethics Committee plan to colonize Japan with Russian and Asian populations. They have already occupied Hokkaido and Kyushu; now, they are arguing over concession of Honshu (Japan's mainland) with the United States. In Singapore, the negotiations regarding the division of Japan continue.
Everywhere. I've always heard the government's run by a bunch of right-wing extremists who refuse to let go of the old ways.I see that everywhere too. I've actually seen a number of these articles that were written by people with "Japanese names"
I suppose it's probably the result of all that propaganda you talk about, combined with the lack of actual knowledge by most foreigners.That's the way I see it, just look at this la-*test*-('") world wide distortion that took place a couple days ago. The world is accusing Prime Minister Abe of claiming that "evidence of sex slaves doesn't exist".
I actually heard the Japanese gave several warnings that they were planning to attack.That's true. Can't blame the United States though. If I were president of the time, I would've acted like it was unprovoked attack as well in order to raise arms for war. It may be a dirty tactic, but IMO anything goes in war.
I've always wondered why the world was so quick to forget the horrors of Nagasaki and Hiroshima,Hey those fuckin' Japs deserved it. USA!!!, USA!!!, USA!!!! I often laugh when I see such American bravado, because IMO us Amercians made it to the top of the food chain soley by our exports & ecconomy not because of our soldiers. That & the U.S. wasn't ravaged by two WW's like Europe was. Plus it also helps that the neighbors of the United States are Mexico & Canada, both of which can't militarily threathen U.S.A. national security. (Although Mexico has alreday overtaken both Califonia & Nevada just by illegally immigrating there. Hey I'm not complaining Latin women are fine,hah hah.) Japan is practically the U.S.A's only majour victory. (On the flipside of the coin the only country that ever did kick Japan's ass was the United States. -Mostly due to lack of stable resources & provisions- It often surprises moi how people often ignore Japan's impeccable military record prior to WWII. It cracks me up how people treat Japan as if they were fighting with sticks, when at the time Japan had a legion of miltary veterans who were battle hardened by the conflicts in Asia that occurred during late 1800's & early 1900's) Every other country the U.S. has fought with, were all 3rd world nations from Asia,Middle East,Carribeans,etc. While I would bet money on the U.S.A. winning in a battle v.s. China. I find it somewhat comical how the United States seems to be intimidated by China & doesn't treat them in the same way that they treat the 3rd world countries that they usually fight with. (Yes I'm aware of the benefits of China as an ecconomical ally through export trade. I'm just saying, usually the attitude of the U.S.A. is to conquer the other country & gain access to it's resources.)
After all you've said about how much influence Korea has in Japanese politics, a foreign-born president now sounds like it could actually be a reason for concern. Especially with the recent report I heard of a man and his wife who held positions as professors at a respected university being convicted of being spies for the Cuban government after moving here over 30 years ago.Shit, thanks for the info now I have an example to use in the K7 site for the American side of the conflict in K7.
Though I suppose a foreigner would never be elected as president, since we still haven't elected anything but rich white christian men.If anyone could do it, it would be the Governator. (Sure he's white & christian, I think, but hey he's still foreign.) Shit though I'd vote Al Bundy for president. Or Al Pacino. Heh,one of the Al's at least.
I wonder if the Japanese liberal party is even Japanese, or Korean nationalists.I think it's both. Japan's political system happens to be infiltrated by a large number of disinfo agents. The disinfo agents lay down the foundations of the purpose of pro-*test*-('") whereas the "sheep" *The rest of the Japanese* play follow the leader & do whatever it is that the disinfo agent has spread. Though if you're referring to the Japanese liberal party in the Killer 7 game. Hmm I don't know I actually never thought about that. It does seem plausible. There's noway to know for sure,because the only majour liberal we saw is that midget Garcian spoke to (Who was also the same S&M guy who Matsuken killed in Smile. As payback for sabotaging Fukushima's effort in diplomacy with the United States. The Japanese liberal wanted to renew Japan's alliance with the United States. Fukushima merley wanted the United States to unleash the "fire works" *U.S.A.'s nuclear umbrella*)
That would certainly explain why they want him dead.Fukushima is a right winger, not a liberal. (His party the Union 7 were former Liberals, but they all joined together to form an extreme right political party. The two old men that Matsuken killed were members of Fukushima's party.) Hence the reason he is dismayed at Japan's inability to cope with the times. A typical liberal would not feel regret, they would say something like hey we deserve it for what we did during WW II. He was targetted because he was trying to transform Japan into a normal country that has the benifits of it's own military rather than be trapped by an undependable alliance with the United States.
What I don't understand is why the Killer7 is hired to kill Fukushima.The Killer 7 are assassins who are employed by the United States government. As such the interests of the United States are the interests of the Killer 7. (Remember the lil' debate Garcian had with Meiko Kaji *I mean* Linda Vermilion.) Or at least it was until Young Harman,Matsuken & Linda Vermilion kept hinting at Garcian's lil' secret. I swear what is the story with Young Harman? I don't understand that guy. All his actions in the game seem to tell me that he's actually a spy for Japan. (Considering that he saved Matsuken's life by directing him to Coburn & he seems to be acquainted with Linda Vermilion.)
That's true. Can't blame the United States though. If I were president of the time, I would've acted like it was unprovoked attack as well in order to raise arms for war. It may be a dirty tactic, but IMO anything goes in war.Yeah, going to war was actually one of the best decisions that could've been made considering what it did to an economy that was suffering from a depression at the time. Though it still seems dumb how angry Americans get over it to this day.
Shit though I'd vote Al Bundy for president.Al Bundy is out, because we're not going to have a president who's ever been a working-class man any time soon, at least not with the current political system designed to keep out all but the immensely rich.
Though if you're referring to the Japanese liberal party in the Killer 7 game. Hmm I don't know I actually never thought about that. It does seem plausible.Yeah, that's what I meant. Don't tell me I've actually stumped you on something. :shock:
Fukushima is a right winger, not a liberal.Yeah, I meant that he seems to be the grea-*test*-('") hope for the country, so it would make sense if the liberal party, assuming it was influenced by the eastern threat, wanted him dead.
The Killer 7 are assassins who are employed by the United States government. As such the interests of the United States are the interests of the Killer 7.So the U.S. views Fukushima as a threat?
Yeah, that's what I meant. Don't tell me I've actually stumped you on something.Out of the posters here, you would be the individual most likely to stump I. As for the question I've already stated my opinion that the game doesn't give you enough clues on whether or not the liberal party is actually Korean.
So the U.S. views Fukushima as a threat?Of course. Fukushima wanted to normalize Japan into a normal country with the right to bear arms. (As of now since WW II, Japan is binded to the treaty that foces them to rely on the United States military & the japanese self defense force.) It's pretty obvious to moi in both real life & in the Killer 7 game. That the United States is basically trying to hold Japan in check for as long as it can. Key note: Japan is one of the only countries in the world who is not allowed to form their own military.
Japan is one of the only countries in the world who is not allowed to form their own military.I have no idea what other countires have a similar sentance. It was more of a figure of speech, in case there were other countries besides Japan who aren't allowed to militarize. I just know that Japan is bound by constitution & her countrymen is denied the right to bear arms.
Though it still seems dumb how angry Americans get over it to this day.Hah hah not just Americans, everybody in general. Hell yesterday my mom was getting all patriotic watching some American movie about the war in the pacific. She just straigt up yelled "Fuckin' japs killed my grandparents." "I will never forgive them!" I just shrugged my head & tried to tell her that it's been so long since WWII that most people can't even tell the difference between fact or fiction (Over emotional accounts of the poor, fighting against the EVIL Jap tyrants) anymore. She just said "A lot of people during WW II are still alive you know." I didn't bother to tell her,but IMO I think one of the main reasons that Japan is often criticsized harshly is because 1. They were on the losing side of WW II. (hence they tend to be the scapegoat for countless exaggerrated accounts of atrocities that they weren't really responisble for.) 2. They are the only non white ethnicity to have actually taken part in the game called "colonization". Needless to say they were an unwanted guest in a game that was dominated by mostly indivduals of "white" origin. So in a sense they (Japan) need to be snuffed out. What I'm hinting at here is one of the last speeches Chris Mills has as a ghost in the Union Hotel.
In other words... The most powerful man in the country is the education secretary. But a Japanese put him out. The dog (Japan) bit back at it's owner (U.S.A.). Revenge for being left for death (USA refused to comply with a pact that they made with Japan. *The Nuclear umbrella*) This is big trouble. Corrupt officials are at a loss. The country has been revealed for what it is --- a monster. But will anything change? You expect some revolution? Well a dog can't do shit. Has a dying country ever created anything worth it's salt--- BTW I thought it was extremly hilarious how she doesn't seem to realize that the family she married into has a Japanese surname.
They are the only non white ethnicity to have actually taken part in the game called "colonization". Needless to say they were an unwanted guest in a game that was dominated by mostly indivduals of "white" origin.Heh, that's an interesting observation. Yeah, stealing land has always been the white man's game. Why is it you never hear Germany being criticized for what it did in World War II? I mean they were NAZIS. Why do Americans feel Pearl Harbor is less forgivable than the Holocaust?
Shit it kinda pisses moi off how some of the female members there are pretty hot. Considering that we're all loosely related & all.*shrugs* Why's that stopping you?