Killer7 Q and A Session
Alright their's probaly allot of questions regarding diffrent plot points of Killer7 and I think we should have an area to post questions then everyone does their best to answer the question I'll start. Many people have said that Susuie was raped to death by Harman, but how can an old man with a broken back rape a young woman to death?

Okay... Who the hell told you that?

I thought it was metioned in the Gamefaqs article and a few other people at varios online places speculated this although it never made any sense to me. So do you how she really died?

You mean Samantha? I don't really know about that either, maybe it was young Harman or something.

Yeah sorry, Samantha I feel like a noob now. :oops:

I was the first person to point that out back in the boards when the gamefaqs plot faq was being written. I speculated that she was raped beat & killed on account of the fact that the liquid beneath her genital area on top of her seat was covered with a white transparent liquidy substance. I agree with Lisker that it was most likely someone like Young Harman Smith who did her in. Actually I think it was somebody working for Young Harman who killed her. (Young Harman seems to be in league with Linda Vermilion who also killed Chris Mills.) The deaths of both Samantha & Chris are important, because those two were responsible for facilitating the orchestrated reality that Garcian was led to believe in. Without those two there is nobody else out there to continue the charade of Garcian Smith serving an elite gang of assassins known as the Killer 7. Which is why when they both die... Garcian finally starts to see reality for what it is, & not what the government has conditioned him to believe.

Yeah I figured that once she showed up dead when I played it the first time. I knew that those two were part of Garcian's phony reality, and it made sense as to why they both bit it in the end. This also shows who Steward is. A dude to save your game, nothing more. Thats it.

I've never noticed that before....and that makes alot of sense. I think.... well it sounds very logical and factual to me anyway. I'm still just trying to figure out politics.... even though it's obviously a joke.

The whole premise with Garcian peering into a TV monitor just to speak to Harman Smith is pretty much the most obvious clue that the reality that Garcian knew was staged by the government. In real life most of our perceptions of what is truth or reality are based off of what we see or hear from the T.V. in our living rooms. However most of what we hear or see from T.V. is either fake, or based off of hearsay & carefully placed propaganda that was used in order to fit a specific political agenda. To put it simply... The majority of us in the world have already been "brainwashed" & conditioned to believe everything that we see or hear from the T.V. news broadcasts. Regardless of whether or not that the supposed "truth" that we are led to believe was either based off of truth or fiction. In retrospect Garcian communicating through the T.V. monitor is both a metaphor for Garcian's reality & the manufactured reality that we live everyday. Ask yourself. Is Saddam Husein really dead? Is there such a thing as "War on Terrorism"? How do we know for sure? When most of the knowledge that we know is only shit that the higher ups want us to know, but yet they neglect to tell us the whole story behind these specific affairs. Why, because if we knew too much, we'd only complicate matters. Look at what happened when Garcian woke up from his "dream" (Heh heh, I just quoted Sundance from Flower,Sun & Rain.) In the last chapter of the game, Garcian was given free will to decide the fate of one of the two nations who were responsible for his manufactured existance. If Garcian were still part of the government programing than he would've killed Matsuken a long time ago. (The last chapter takes place a couple years after Smile.) Many people complain about the story of Killer 7 without ever realizing that the confusion depicted in K7 is actually an accurate portrayl of the confusion that has been proposed as our "reality". BTW I hope I don't come off sounding like some pretentious ass nihilist Matrix schmuck. The difference between Matrix & Killer 7 is that the Matrix trilogy hits you over the head (Over & over & over & over) & constantly reminds you that their reality isn't real. K7 just hints at how our "perception" of reality is a flawed concept since it's mostly shaped around what we see or hear & not what we actually KNOW.

After seeing two of three matrix films in my lifetime and then playing K7, I will agree about what Topdrunkee has said. The Matrix shoves your face into the reality that "reality isn't real" and the real word is lame as shit. Honestly that never was hard for me to understand. Dude finds out that he has lived most of his life inside a computer, and hes really a product of robot-based human engineering. So? After seeing only two of the films the plot really couldn't be more simplistic. The whle thing gets complicated by saying Dude is better then the rest of the robot grown humans cuz he can fly and see binary code...whatever. Killer 7 leaves more of an impact on me because I had to reconsider what "reality" was over and over again. The innocent thing I did was only see the world of Killer 7 thru the eyes of Garcian. Afterall, he is the "main character." It wasn't until I beat the game, and joined this forum, that I began to understand the views outside of Garcian's. And I will agree with the interview with Suda himself, you get out of it what you want. Simple as that. I see that as a much more abstract way of story telling then simply repeating that you live in a computer and you may not be pissing when you piss.

Yeah, Saddam's dead. After all, they filmed it.

Now that I think about maybe by the rationale that the TV breeds a false reliality, maybe nothing paranormal ever happens in killer7. That's an idea that I have always been trying to express. The problem is that I don't have enough knowledge about the inner workings of the human psyche in order to properly explain it. IMO all the paranormal occurences in Killer 7 only appear that way, because we do not have enough information to properly explain the phenomenon. Similar to how gunfire may look like magic to an individual who does not understand ballistics. That & the character who we play as (Garcian) is pretty much a guinea pig for two opposing governments. (His mind is a mess. That has been deliberately messed with & implanted with thoughts foreign from his own.) Notice that you scan the heaven smile, perhaps showing that their not really real too as they haft to be filtered by the screen to solidtify(or maybe it shows that TV needs to be applied to make threats known). Actually I think the TV screen only pretains to Harman Smith, since the only time Garcain ever speaks to him is when switches he the tv channel to Harman in Harman's room. (Harman's room as was said in the plot faq is basically just Garcian's consciousness & his state of mind.) The Heaven Smiles are in fact real, since Suda 51 said so. Plus if they weren't real than Curtis & Pedro would have no reason to sell women's organs to the "Catastrophe from the East" (Kun Lan) in order to create more Heaven Smiles. Note: By Kun Lan, I'm referring to a collective of individuals who represent Kun Lan's cause, & not the actual person/entity. (We never see or hear mention of the real Kun Lan ever, through out the entire game.) Maybe Harman and Kun don't posses special powers. Maybe Kun and all forms of Harman are nothing but figments of imagination produced by Garcian's and Matsuken's minds. One of the things that I constantly claim about the celestial (God) Harman & Kun Lan is that they're nothing more than a voice that have been given a personified form that has the ability to interact with those around them. (We know that Harman & Kun are in possesion of a form that can be physically seen since some rather unimportant indivduals such as Julia Kisugi could see & interact with Celestial Harman Smith perfectly well.) So yeah your train of thought does some what mimic my own regarding Kun Lan & Harman. IMO the only real Harman Smith is the guy that was buried in a safe. The others were either voices, random old men (Trailer house guy) or some government agent (Young Harman) who claims to be Harman Smith. One of my reasons for believing this is contained in Hand in Killer 7. During the last Jaco Check Box message, the Jaco guy makes a passing remark about how the real Kun Lan is just a decrepit old man who's been held up inside an insane asylum. Jaco Checkbox guy finally decides to stop utilizing the Killer 7 for his personal vendetta against Kun Lan & heads off to the Insane Asylum himself to murder Kun Lan. (This is the last time you hear about the Jaco Check box guy.) Interestingly enough there's a scene in the Silver Case where you track down Uehara Kamui as he tries to escape the International Enviornmental Building. (It sounds like the passage about Kun Lan in HIK7 was directly mimicking this.) http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silver/silverkamuiuehara.swf Kamui gets gunned down by the Sogeki corps though. Yeah, Saddam's dead. After all, they filmed it. That was a rhetorical question. Obviously he is dead, but on the flip side of the coin I could just as easily ask "How do we know". Our only proof is what was shown to us through T.V., & I've already made a point clear about how most of the world media deliberately lies & mistranslates the deed/misdeeds that are usually attributed to Japan. (Somebody in the United States government must be deeply opposed of Japan becoming a normal nation with an actual military, so they have painted a picture of Japan as being nothing more than country full of racist facist who long for the days of the Imperial army.) Hence this is the point that I'm trying to make when I say that our perception of reality is based only off what we see or hear. The absolute truth is almost always a completely different "story" from the proposed truth that we are led to believe. Unfortunately only a handful of indivduals are ever privy to the absolute truth, because knowledge is power. Knowledge in the right or wrong hands can change the entire dichtomy of the world's regional powers if used effciently. Ulmeyda pretty much made a good point about how we only judge a book by it's cover. Alter Ego made another interesting point of how easy it is to manipulate the masses through the use of modern media. For all we know the Saddam who we saw getting executed. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3&c=1 Could have just been one of his many body doubles & the real Saddam is probably locked up somewhere in some dark underground basement being beaten,raped & tortured or some shit, Lol!. There was a time when the average American believed (or prolly still believes) that Saddam & Osama were in cahoots with each other. Despite the fact that one of them is a revolutionary & the other is a despotic tyrant. So in effect we pretty much think all foreigners are the same & probably couldn't tell the difference anyway. Of course IMO, it's all just a retarded conspiracy theory. Though at the same time I can't deny the logical thought process that some individuals have proposed for the absurd conspiracy theory. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread261248/pg1 Satire of the rather absurd, but intriquing conspiracy theory. http://worldofmike.wordpress.com/2007/01/04/saddam-hussein-still-alive/ This site is good for a laugh... http://www.saddamisnotdead.com/ Although the above link is comical imo this excerpt of one of the posts pretty much describes what I think the story for Killer 7 is. (If you ignore the obvious Article 9 debate that constantly pops up in Killer 7.) They knew long ago, that it would generate worldwide panic, and that they couldn’t save everyone. Meetings with Saddam Hussein, and dealings with Bin Laden, put the fall guys in place, but they are just 2 players in this game. I think that the major leaders in this world are all aware, and are playing right along. It really is the only thing that makes sense. Domestic wire tapping and reading of mail, indicate that people may become wise to the real reasons behind these events, and fear a worldwide panic. One message that has been made abundantly clear from K7 & HIK7 (Even Jaco checkbox guy) is that all the chracters in the story are nothing more than bit players. Save for probably Dimitri Nightmare, who doesn't say a damn thing at all. They are all being controlled by unknown higher ups in the world, & all of whom are playing the game according to the original intended plan, except (young) Harman Smith. (Celestial Harman Smith & Kun Lan don't count, because IMO they tend to come off as more of a physical manisfestation of an idea rather than an actual person.) Young Harman sabatoged the operation when he interefered with the affairs of the Killer 7 & broke Garcian Smith away from his government "programming" (Programming refers to the daily routines & beliefs that Garcian was taught to believe such as him being a member of the Killer 7. A squad of hitmen who don't actually exist.) Anyway enough about Huissein, for all intents & purposes Saddam is dead as we know it.

I was just kidding about the moon thing.

One of my reasons for believing this is contained in Hand in Killer 7. During the last Jaco Check Box message, the Jaco guy makes a passing remark about how the real Kun Lan is just a decrepit old man who's been held up inside an insane asylum. Jaco Checkbox guy finally decides to stop utilizing the Killer 7 for his personal vendetta against Kun Lan & heads off to the Insane Asylum himself to murder Kun Lan. (This is the last time you hear about the Jaco Check box guy.) Where the fuck was that? Damn, Killer7 really does have an awesome story, it's still getting me... I was kind of making a joke about the Saddam execution, considering it wasn't even supposed to be filmed and created a ton of controversy. I think the moon landing conspiracy is essentially a joke itself these days, because I can't see how they could keep something that big a secret from the world for all this time. Topdrunkee makes a good point about how good governments are at keeping secrets from the masses, but I really doubt the Soviets wouldn't find out considering how important the space race was to them, so if the U.S. faked it in order to 'win', they'd find out through espionage, and be less than happy.