Yeah, Majora's Mask was the most mature Zelda, as it had some nice themes touched upon. I think a nice part that is often overlooked is the beings in the masks. Those you got the transformation masks for remain dead, even after you save the time line. I was expecting them to do a "Everything back to normal" thing, I was suprised. I also liked that the fearsome moon that always overshadowed you, the heart of the enemy.. Inside it was a peaceful meadow, with children playing...

Yeah, MM had an awesome atmosphere, probably one of the best in zelda games. loved the music and the feeling in the some cutscenes (I loved the cutscenes when you play the song of healing to the ghost of the goron hero and the every cutscene of the music box house in ikana valley) Most zelda games tend to have a different folk based theme imo. In WW the great fairies have many arms like the goddes Vishnu and the gidbos and stalfos have an aztec look.

off topic of course :P hahaha well yes for some reason MM is a deep game, my favorites zelda games are MM, OoT and ALA * a link's awakening* in the end of MM, when link wakes up in a garden and sees the kids playing, this is a fantastic scene, like everything is just a dream and you just wake up, as everything is. about the moon, I bet a lot of kids have nightmares cus of it :P it looks so demoniac

I think they based the idea of a moon with a face from that old movie which I cant remember the name (was it "travel to the moon") OoT was fantastic, and Ganon was a total badass there (specially when hes being sealed in the sacred real and he just floats laughing). My favorite Ganondorf (human form) incarnation must be in WW: a badass with two katanas. However theres something i dislike and its that after OoT, most big zelda title got easier and easier. DAMN, at GFAQs, in the TP board (what a surprise) someone said that there should be a difficulty setting in next zelda games, and everybody started flaming him. Probably thanks to fanboys like those, biggest mainstream games are turning into crap eventually.

TP mature considering how childish zelda universewas, not against all other games on market. Talking about that, link me any other zelda, WW , OOT, MM scene with more maturity than this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGKuUwdK_nY&feature=related This is crazy design, specially the helmet, and his dialogue and his gestures....... damn TP i mean true form of midna rulz in zeldaTP....lol super sexy

lol I am sorry this became a zelda thread yes, fanboys always flame I am mad zelda for ds which is PH and zelda TP are so easy, and when someone state this they say OoT was easy as WW O_O there is not logic in this, OoT, WW are not the easy as TP Tp was good in its own way like the mature side but gameplay and some scenes that where out of place, TP was downgraded for casual gamers, it sold 500000 in Japan which is good but it should have a difficulty mode for old players same thing happened with ssbb, mario kart >.< I am very glad that Miyamoto is working in the next zelda, he is fully involved in it as he was in super mario galaxy I always wanted a really scary zelda game, but really scary since the time I played Eternal Darkness, but fanboys *now I am talking about zelda fanboys* don't want that they just think that mature games are all like halo or gta when they are not, maybe in the future there will be a really scary zelda game

"I agreed with TopDrukee mature games is just for kids who wants to feel adult, just for the M rating in the game and it is true that a lot of people are saying that NMH is the best game created by Suda, they don't know or they don't understand killer 7 as TopDrukee stated. " I know people and they have told their stories of how desperate tehy were to get laid and do things of MATURITY, in age of thirteen. Underage minors dream of doing thins like sex, drugs and whatnot. So its not just games they look into, thy are hunting for same fantasies in reallfie too, blame those kids naure and your society, it has nothing to do with game nature, game offers sex or other things to give surreal feel to the game. If they wont get sex feeling thorugh games they will through internet or hentai games. World is quite accessible through various means,even to kids, blame the system.

And you talk like undestanding killer story is like winning awards of maturity. Ok you have go it, what then? It proves you are genius/mature than others? All this is nothing but selfsatisfaction, it doesnt make you any smarter or does it? I am asking you, how/what do you feel ?

edited lol wrong point of view I didn't meant that I don't understand killer 7, but what I meant is ppl love games that they understand and killer 7 is not a 3rd grade story as halo, gears of war, etc. Most of the gamers love this kind of games, it is like the newspapers what reading level you think it is? 6th grader and they make it this way so most of the people understand, so as the media so there are crappy games that make most of the gamers love, just for a cheap story, easy to be understood, and these kids come and play the game just to feel somehow adult, this is stupid, because why will you play a game just for the rating or just because it has blood or gore or sex, as the majority of the ppl are ignorant most of the gamers are, and I am not superior to them I just think this way, when a stupid noob comes and say killer 7 is anti patriotic, they don't understand but they do understand halo or gta I am not referring to game nature or video games in itself I am referring to gamers, the audience *the public* I just say they play M games just because they have violence, blood and gore, is like they care of the story? nah Games as Halo, GTA just violence and that is the reason of the M rating and I agreed that knowing the story is just self satisfaction I remember arguing with zelda fanboys about the split time in the storyline, exactly in OoT, they said it is not possible, not true and flamed me, anyways even Aonuma confirmed :P xD

what I mean is people just buying games for the blood in it check this guys saying that Suda sucks and that he won't get the game just because there is not blood in the pal version of no more heroes http://youtube.com/watch?v=kp9fD9ws8Ck It is like Matt the nintendo editor from ign, saying "go buy manhunt 2, it is an M game" how are you going to buy a game just because it is rated mature I am not just talking about 12 years old, I just said that because I was just referring to these kind of gamers which are the majority

Enemy difficulty in OoT is much harder, my first time fighting Stalfos in OoT actually required a thinking strategy to get around their shield. In TP there is always a shortcut with new moves and skills (but you have to learn them) that just destroy any monster you come across even armoured knights. The puzzles and dungueons are really good imo. New items were good but very gimmicky and doesn't have much use outside of their respective dungueons. But the last boss in TP was just awful, I wiped the floor with it. It was so easy. Argh, isn't this off topic?

Sad thing is game developers are aware people buy their games even if they are lazy work, as long as they are still part of X famous series, and will take chance of that. Unless gaming community changes, things like this will keep happening (or getting worse) Would be really happy if NMH2 was released, and had awesome story AND awesome gameplay.