No more heroes audio drama epologue?

Re: No more heroes audio drama epologue?
The Outer Rim recently released an album titled The Outer Rim that supposedly continues the story of Mr. Touchdown 100yrs into the future. Why does it take place 100 yrs. into the future? From what I remembered No More Heroes was strictly non corporeal, and the cast of NMH had actual development. (Whereas Killer7's cast were little more than ciphers.) This sounds more like an epilogue to K7. if i find it i'll post it here if that's ok with the admin and if you already have it please post it or at least share the dialogue/ story. Go ahead & post it. I'm still wondering what it is. I never heard of it before. There was a time when I didn't allow downloads, but I don't bother to enforce that rule anymore. seems very interesting and since i doubt there will be a sequel to this wonderful game it would be nice to have some closure after the bad ass endings as any other Shenmue fan can understand. Suda has said that he plans to make a sequel. So there is still hope. IMO, I hope he doesn't. I think his time would be better spent on the Silver Case. (Suda normally doesn't do sequels. The only Suda game that ever received a direct sequel was Silver Case, and that's mostly because his Japanese fanbase kept pestering him for one.) As for Shenmue. Sometimes it's better off to let a series die with it's dignity intact rather than to have it continue on as a bastardization of itself. (Persona3 & Fallout 3 hardly resemble the games that came before them.)

ok let me share what ive learned: 1. my initial source was wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Heroes_(video_game)#Soundtrack i trust wikipedia more than most people and can usually spot the fibs but i decided to investigate anyway because i wanted to find out for myself what the drama was about. 2.started looking for info on the band and the debut album and found the album details at http://vgmdb.net/db/albums.php?id=8917 3. found the band myspace page where you can listen to the music of the album but sadly not the dialog at http://www.myspace.com/theouterrimband and the official site at http://www.jeffcurry.com/theouterrim/html/whatsnewpage.html 4 found a page that says in the future people can live for as long as they want (silver eye?) "The setting and story is based on 100 years after “No More Heroes”, where people are so advanced and they can live as long as they want, in result to lack of art and culture. They miss lively culture on earth. Here’s a music box of The Outer Rim he found on the satellite 13th, as a remaining of old age. Where all stories starts..." http://www.theouterrim.jp/The_Outer_Rim_Official_Website.html this is all i've been able to find i also posted in the galdabia hotel request forum to see if any nmh fans can help in the hunt(gh.ffshrine.org) if some one has money to blow on buying this cd then upping the drama parts i can supply some store links as well ps. shinobu and ryo hazuki should team up. j.k. i understand completely sega in the state they are currently in (owned by sammy and running sonic into the ground) lack the $kills to finsh the series proper but i would settle for a novel/manga/audio drama/script or summary for shenmue. im sure having yu suzuki post a chapter summary on a blog for each of the planned 16 chapters or something cost effective like that. i don't care if he just releases his notes on the series in japanese im sure with the army of shenmue fans out there a translation would be quick to follow. sorry to go off topic but may the devil have mercy

4 found a page that says in the future people can live for as long as they want (silver eye?) "The setting and story is based on 100 years after “No More Heroes”, where people are so advanced and they can live as long as they want, in result to lack of art and culture. They miss lively culture on earth. Ah, now that does make sense. I actually made a couple theories around here trying to connect NMH to FSR & Silver Case, but I dropped all of that when Suda 51 said that NMH isn't connected with his other games at all. Now I'm confused... because that description you provided above does sound a lot like SC & FSR. (Which would also provide some plausible explanations for what was going on in K7. Some gamers in japan believe that harman Smith himself has a silver eye. Which is why he's seen in more than one body.) Now I'm even more confused, is NMH connected or not? I had to redo the entire site when I found out that NMH isn't related to Moonlight Syndrome, Silver Case, or Flower Sun & Rain. I'll just add that it's not that people can live as long as they want. It's just their consciousness, their soul that lives on for eternity. In the setting of SC/FSR some people actually digitally reproduce themselves inside other bodies. (The human body eventually fades away with time, so it eventually needs to be replaced.) It's basically the same logic that the Metal Gear Solid series was supposed to be about (passing on genes & memes), but then Kojima chickened out & made that fan fiction "shit for brains" plot of MGS4. Although in SC it's kinda unclear how some (god like) people carry on their consciousness even after they die. I'm not sure if its spiritual or digital. (The games are pretty vague when it comes to answers.) sorry to go off topic but may the devil have mercy This place goes off topic all the time. I can scarcely think of any threads that don't go off topic.

Yeah, I, myself, had searched for an upload of this. And found nothing - a while back. Given Topdrunkee's response - it only makes it seem all the more interesting - if possible...

first off this site is perfect and anything you do to it can only make it perfect plus(?) to this day there is so little alternate resources for what you supply here and for that i'm super duper grateful i come here for my suda fix always but yea definitely that's the first thing that came to mind when the 100yrs later info came up, the ending of killer 7 with Emir/Garcian in the future. It's weird Suda would say the titles are not connected. My info and knowledge of Suda's none American released games comes from this site and forum but as a novice Suda theorist allow me to present my thoughts on this to you: - SC has Sundance and Sumio which FSR has - FSR has Ed Mcalister as does K7 - K7 has Ed as well and popular thought suggests that either Sumio or Emir are host bodies for the other and Sundance appeared in one of the early trailers for the game. - NMH has Emir which connects K7 > FSR > SC but this cd drama can't be cannon because if killer 7 ends with Emir in the future how could he have died in NMHs real ending? alternatively if Travis was killed by Emir in the end Travis wouldn't be around to "miss lively culture on earth"in the future. in the end this could easily be a somewhat genius marketing ploy to get people to purchase the album by filling it with audio done by the voice actors in between takes (as they mention not having put it on the darkside(remix) album i assume this drama was made during the initial game recordings) who knows if Suda has anything to do with this at all or if its just the bands fan fiction? If anything I'm sure Suda would have mentioned this story somewhere and a lot more people would know about it if it was his doing. i wish i knew also before you mentioned Suda being interested in making a sequel to Nmh but looking at his project list and also the state of the industry and the type of games being published i don't believe that a sequel to such a game would be made anytime soon but rather mentioned (or killed) in a future grasshopper project? (there's no doubt he would like to make a sequel but whether or not a publisher is willing to give him the $ to produce such a title after the first one is another question entirely.) I think its more likely the "to be continued" could mean that the plots connect in the way that silver case and Moonlight Syndrome and fsr are connected and in a way continued. please don't take my saying NMH2 is not likely as me being a interdick or a pessimist its just my opinion which i formed by reviewing the past and current state of my favorite industry(plus im also a shenmue fan(-_-;) i would love a nmh 2 since the purchase of a wii was the second biggest mistake in my life, nmh is the only thing that justifies the purchase. its like i payed $300+ for no more heroes.

It's weird Suda would say the titles are not connected. I personally think he's talking shit, because I have proof that his games are connected. Suda 51 even said so himself at a FSR website. http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/suda_answer27.htm This link talks about the theme of "Kill the Past" Which is what the games MS, SC, FSR, & K7 are part of.

http://www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/suda_answer23.htm

In this link, Suda admits that his games actually do take place in the same setting. Back in 2001/2002. Gpara asked Suda if MS, SC, FSR were related to each other, because they seem to take place in the same setting & continuity. Suda 51 officially declared that Moonlight Syndrome, Silver Case & " Flower, Sun, & Rain" are indeed interconnected with one another & are part of the same universe. The only game that he has flat out denied any relation to in his multiverse is the story mode in Fire Pro Wrestling Special. Killer 7 & NMH are unknown, because they were made after FSR. Although Suda has said that NMH isn't related. IMO that's bullshit. I think Suda just makes up random answers to satisfy his Western audience. He's not nearly as vague when ever he speaks to his Japanese audience. As he'll directly respond to a question with a straight answer as can be shown by the sample I posted above. What I find bothersome is that GHM & Suda believe that their games are more appreciated in the West, but the only games they have released in the west were all over the top Tarrantino inspired ish. His adventure games FSR & Silver Case actually have quite a loyal following in Japan.

So in that sense I think the Japanese are only into his intellectual games. Rather than the Suda titles that rely on shock factor & witty one liners. Note: As of today Silver Case is the 7th ranked adv game, and FSR is 8th. http://gh.vis.ne.jp/vote/p_vote.cgi - SC has Sundance and Sumio which FSR has SC is actually the main setting. FSR has about 8 or 10 characters who are originally from the Silver Case, because FSR is basically just a continuation of Sumio's Parade case from SC. The returning Silver Case characters are Tetsuguro Kusabi Tokio Morishima Sumio Kodai (Goes by the alias Mondo in FSR.) The following three were mentioned or influenced the events in SC, but weren't actually seen in game. Kai Zaburo: He was the head of the CCO/TRO coalition. Toriko Kusabi: She's the daughter of Tetsuguro Kusabi Sundance Shot: He was the head of the FSO political party The following was mentioned in FSR Sakura Natsume: She was Sumio's replacement after he was arrested for terrorism in the original Silver Case game. She's also a lead character in Silver Case 25 Ward. Speaking of which the following are characters who made their first appearance in FSR, and made a return appearance in SC 25 Ward. Yoshimitsu Koshimizu: A detective who investigates the murder of SUmio during FSR. If you look at Sumio's timeline you'll see that Yoshimitsu has actually took part in the Silver Case setting since the 1990's when the Felonious org. was first created. Toriko Kusabi: She's been mentioned since the original Silver Case game, but SC 25 Ward marks the first actual appearance of this woman. The Toriko in FSR is speculated to be a goddess in the form of Toriko. She's the girl who Sundance Shot often consulted during FSR. It took me until the 2nd play through just to finally realize that only Sundance can see & speak to Toriko. Which leads me to believe that the Toriko of FSr is of supernatural origin. Tetsuguro Kusabi himself was supposedly looking for Toriko at Hotel FSR, but he didn't see her at all. The following is the only survivor left from the Moonlight Syndrome Yayoi Hanayama She went by Itsushima during Moonlight Syndrome. The Itsushima's were spiritual mediums in the Twilight Syndrome games. Yayoi in FSR doesn't appear to have any super natural abilities at all, but I think she's just hiding it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/topdrunkee/killer7/Moonlight%20Syndrome/Yayoisamein1.jpg I believe that Itsushima & Hanayama are the same person, because they both have the same hair line, same mole, & same flirtatious attitude. Especially towards Sumio. There was a guy named Sumio in Moonlight Syndrome. That guy is actually a different person though. As he's just a high school kid, and he his a lot more boorish than Sumio Kodai/Mondo. Who's usually more refined. Like the guy from American Psycho. There were actually two other survivors from MS, Ryo Kazan, & Rumi Touba, but they were both gunned down by Tetsuguro Kusabi during the Luntaics case of the Silver Case. Note: Moonlight Syndrome actually ended during the night of a lunatic full moon. That's how inter connected these Kill the Past games are. - K7 has Ed as well and popular thought suggests that either Sumio or Emir are host bodies for the other and Sundance appeared in one of the early trailers for the game. In the final game that we have there are actually two references to Moonlight Syndrome. (Well, three if you count the moon loading screen.) The gameplay mechanism of switching between personae through the use of a TV screen pretty provides an indirect answer as to what happened to Mika Kishi during the ending of Moonlight Syndrome. If we are to take the K7 gameplay as proof then that would imply that the tv Mika was tuck in was used as a spiritual medium. The Mika we see at the end of MS was actually Mika transplanted into Rumi Touba's body. Much similar to how Emir uses his own body as the physical host for the Killer 7. The other majour MS reference from Killer 7 is that the god of contracts, Mithra made an appearance during alter ego. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=572&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=19" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=572&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=19

K7 also had Sundance Shot in the original K7 prototype.

(He's the guy with one eye speaking to Dan Smith. Dan Smith imo seems to be a badass version of Sumio. Sumio himself is more of a ladies man.) I'm guessing Sundance was stricken out of the game, because he's even more enigmatic than Kun Lan & Harman Smith. Which would pretty much kill the omnipotence of the Kun & Harman character's because they're portrayed as gods. Whereas Sundance is just a human who has a long grudge with the Hachisukas. (All the Hachisuka's were killed during SC. Only Tokio Morishima is left, but he doesn't consider himself a part of the Hachisuka family. The Hachisuka family originated the Silver Case conspiracy in order to smear Sundance's name. Causing his political party to disband.) The thing I really like about Sundance, is that he looks, speaks, & acts like a villain, but he's actually not one at all. He's just an eccentric guy who holds a lot of political influence. The real bad guys imo are usually the heroes. (Travis, Killer 7, Sumio, Tetsuguro, etc.)

NMH seemed to be connected to Suda's other gamesl, because it deals with a character who blocked out his past in order to live in the present. Travis eventually killed his past when she confronted him during the end of the game. IMO, it would've been better had Elmer Palmer been the real Emir Parkreiner, because it would continue the tradition of badass Suda 51 characters dying off spontaneously as if they were random nobodies. But you know whatever, I think Suda was thinking about the fans for once & decided that Elmer & Emir are two completely different people. I pissed off a lot of people when I was so adamant that Elmer & Emir were the same person. So I guess Suda did the right thing by claiming them to be two separate beings. Afterall, when it comes to videogames. Nobody gives a fuck about your story. They only want badasses that they can idolize. I find it hard to believe that Elmer & Emir aren't the same, because FSR had characters like Peter Bochwinkur who was actually Tetsuguro in disguise. As well as Sumio & Yayoi who under went aliases during FSR. (Their real names are Kodai & Itsushima.) Hell even Harman Smith, Sundance, & the Kamui are known to have differing appearances, & names, but they are all still considered to be the same character. Every Harman we see is Harman, Every Sundance we see is Sundance. (Sundance's original body was a guy who looked sort of like Matsuken.) Yet miraculously I'm suppose to believe that Elmer & Emir are two different people who share a lot of similarities, & mannerisms with each other. (Emir acts like a Japanese Samurai, Elmer acts like a Japanese yanki/thug.) I smell bullshit, but whatever. Suda has the final word, and that's that. but this cd drama can't be cannon because if killer 7 ends with Emir in the future how could he have died in NMHs real ending? alternatively if Travis was killed by Emir in the end Travis wouldn't be around to "miss lively culture on earth"in the future. Audio dramas usually aren't canon anyway. Though I am interested in this, because they seemed to believe that NMH takes places in the same setting as Silver Case, as I once did. I think its more likely the "to be continued" could mean that the plots connect in the way that silver case and Moonlight Syndrome and fsr are connected and in a way continued. That's what I used to say myself. When the game first came out, but I think Suda really does plan to make a sequel. NMH is the most normal, typical video game he's worked on out of the KTP games. It's the only one that doesn't seem to take part in the Silver Case conspiracy. K7 didn't either, but that's because K7 seems to be an alternate setting in the first place. Using Kun Lan & Harman Smith as the main powers of K7. Whereas Silver Case has multiple factions doing their own thing. The only thing thing that really connects all their motivations is the Silver Case cover up that originated by the actions of Sundance Shot using his hitman Kamui as his proxy, & the Hachisuka famliy who covered up the entire incident. That's why I wish that FSR & the SC games would come over here to the West. That way people can see for themselves just how complex the world is that Killer 7 was based off of. (K7 seemed like it wanted to recreate the psycho horror/political conspiracy setting of SC.) please don't take my saying NMH2 is not likely as me being a interdick or a pessimist its just my opinion Don't worry about that. I'm often accused of being a pessimist. Some people have actually left this forum, because I'm always "negative". I'm just a realist. first off this site is perfect and anything you do to it can only make it perfect plus(?) This site is nowhere near close to perfect, yet. It will be once I finally complete the database & characters pages. Who knows when that will happen. For now I'm aiming at completing only 30 character profiles, & writing up at least half of the info in the database page.

i love that everything and anything is possible in suda games like any one can be anyone and anything weird can be explained. Its all so open for interpritation. I also was going to mention the god of contract kid but forgot his/its name. still havent found the album "the outer rim" is not a very good band name for searching but i will continue my search in the name of harman.

http://photo.xanga.com/chrishellz/5e222177974588/photo.html this girl has a copy of the cd someone with a xanga or myspace account try and be nice and ask her politely to either transcribe the dialog or rip the cd for us. i have accounts in neither. and her xanga site address: http://www.xanga.com/chrishellz/646676680/the-outer-rim.html i also found some more info but its very small new info: http://www.dalenorth.com/osv/?p=12 "While the album is dominated by catchy jazz pieces with a distinctive atmosphere, a few tracks include bits of English vocal drama featuring No More Heroes front man Travis Touchdown and co-star Silvia Christal as they describe a bleak, music less future in outer space. And yes, they used the same voice actors from the game!" from this i can only assume that's Travis and Sylvia on the cover in the space suits. and im still looking buts its hard,Topdrunkee thy ILLnifique your Japanese must be better than mine as i cannot read the articles you posted concerning the Suda interview please try and check out any jazz music blogs from japan you can find as my search is limited to only English/french/Spanish/ and Italian sites which i can understand.

The real bad guys imo are usually the heroes. (Travis, Killer 7, Sumio, Tetsuguro, etc.) Travis is more like a GFAQs user that frequents 4chan and dreams of going to japan. Neither hero nor villian, just a dope. When I claim that Travis is a bad guy. What I'm implying is that he was the one doing all the killing. It was Travis who went around cutting people to pieces. Most of his marks were just trying to live their life until Travis came around & killed them. When you stop to think about it. Travis was doing more harm than good. Which makes him a bad guy imo. Tetsuguro & Sumio are also good examples. At face value. They seem to be good guys, but when you think about it. Most of the operations they put a stop to, the people they have killed, etc. Were all done in the name of their job. They try to uphold the law, but most of the time they're just dumbass tools being manipulated by propaganda and conspiracy. Ignorance is a form of evil. Travis had it by the bucket loads. Sumio's sin would be revenge/vengeful. Tetsuguro's sin would be tolerance. He goes overboard when it comes to enforcing the law. and im still looking buts its hard,Topdrunkee thy ILLnifique your Japanese must be better than mine as i cannot read the articles you posted concerning the Suda interview please try and check out any jazz music blogs from japan you can find as my search is limited to only English/french/Spanish/ and Italian sites which i can understand. Eh, just take my word for it. I wish there was a source in English, but Suda seems pretty tight lipped about the connection between his games when it comes to the U.S. audience. That's the closest proof that I can find, and it's official as well, because Gpara is one of the biggest gaming websites in Japan. If you go parading through Japanese K7 fansites, you'll often find them mentioning MS, FSR, & SC. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/link.htm BTW I don't speak nor understand Japanese. I just cross examine every translation that I can get a hold of, and then I combine it with my actual gaming experience in order to piece together the plots. Course it also helps that I used to live in Japan. So I naturally understand some Japanese by default. (The problem with Suda's games is that he uses a lot of metaphors. I don't understand Japanese metaphors. Which is why my info is fragmented at best.) i love that everything and anything is possible in suda games like any one can be anyone and anything weird can be explained. I disagree with that. Killer 7 is the only game that was open ended like that, mainly because the game was stripped & incomplete. When I said that Travis was a bad guy. I was speaking more in relative terms. Travis killed most of these people for selfish reasons. I feel that makes him more of a bad guy than somebody like Death Metal. Sylvia herself can't be considered a bad guy, because she was only giving what Travis wanted. Excitement in his boring ass life. We all have temptations, & urges, but most of us are able to suppress them. Travis chose to pursue life as a killer for ridiculous ass reasons. Mostly just to have fun at other people's expenses. It shows a lack of moral fibric, which is what makes me classify Travis as a bad guy. In retrospect there aren't any real heroes in any of of Suda 51's games. NMH is a fitting name, lol.

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