Persona 4 screenshots

I should thank fortune that I recently converted back to Suikoden a couple weeks ago. If anybody was wondering. I've been devoting most of my time to replaying Suiko 2 & 5 over the weekend. Which is why I haven't had any time to post on the boards lately.

It's like P3 was a success for them and now they're scared to try anything new. Should have called this Persona 3.5 instead. Even the character designs look like they're lifted right out of it and have been given a slight colour change.

Man fuck this. Character designs don't look as bad as Persona 3.. but summoning with glasses? Not as urban setting? Looks the same as Persona 3 in terms of the engine.. same producer, music, and character designer. Damn, just look at all of those fools at GAF accepting this. I mean some even go as far as to talk crap about Persona 2.. you just know most of them never played the earlier games when they came out. Damn weaboos. Persona being dead is right. I don't even know if I should even follow news for a possible new Devil Summoner(since the last was shit) or even Megam Tensei 4. It's impossible due to sales, but it would be great if Atlus woul wise up and just hand Cozy Okada a huge amount of money to come back... anything that'll make him come back cause MegaTen is being run into the damn ground.

I'm still hoping that whatever SMT title they're working on for the next-gen consoles isn't going to disappoint. Do we know what team is working on that? Was it the ones behind Nocturne?

Man looks like persona 3.5.....So sad. Hopefully the next shin megami tensei will go back to it's roots.

What we have to keep in mind is that Persona was originally supposed to be Megaten's attempt at being a simplified mainstream game. It just so happened that the first three Persona attempts failed. Part of it had to do with the gothic/haute couture high fashion aesthetic. The other had to do with the theme of the original games. They were mostly influenced by Carl Jung philosophy & Lovecraftian horror. All of the above goes way over most people's heads. Which is why Atlus made a good move when they decided to ditch all the Jungian themes & Lovecraftian influences in order to appeal to a wider audience. In a sense. P3 & P4 are the true Persona games, because they are the games that finally made Megaten mainstream again. (Megaten's popularity started to fall off around the time that the Persona 2 SIN/Punishment duology was made.) Do we know what team is working on that? Was it the ones behind Nocturne? P3 actually uses the same people from Nocturne. (Minus Okada) Kaneko's role was downgraded to simply drawing the Personas. Damn, just look at all of those fools at GAF accepting this. I mean some even go as far as to talk crap about Persona 2.. you just know most of them never played the earlier games when they came out Half of those GAF posters actually have been around since the original Persona. Which is something that I don't understand. The original Persona games were more Lovecraftian horror influenced with a touch of Japanese subculture. P3 & P4 emulate more of animu Japan stereotype. In other words if you were one of those people who played Persona for it's clever allusions to Japanese society & politics. (As I am.) I advise that you look elsewhere. As Persona's version of Japan mimics Anime Japan more than it does real life Japan. Thankfully games such as Yakuza/Like A Dragon do a respectable job of filling in the void that was once occupied by the original Persona trilogy. Yeah, lol-worthy like the spiderwebs on dresses and hearts on the breasts. It's not like I hate all of the P2 designs myself, just Maya and Ulala's totally out of there elements as I pointed above. Baofu, Tatsuya, and Kazuya are great. The IS gang is pretty damn good too and they didn't need those outrageous aspects. Why are they hating on Maya & Ulala? I think those two have some kick ass fashion sense. What Shouta doesn't seem to realize is that the attire of Maya & Ulala are both inspired by Haute Couture fashion. http://www.frillr.com/?q=taxonomy/term/353/0/feed This dress in particular. Looks like it could've been worn by an old school style Persona character.

I miss the days when Persona characters looked like they walked straight out of a japanese cyberpunk setting. This is one of the many reasons why I frown upon modern day Megaten games. The newer games seem to be devoid of any intelligence , & culture whatsoever. It was the high fashion culture & philosophy of the older megaten games that attracted I to them in the first place. I don't even know if I should even follow news for a possible new Devil Summoner(since the last was shit) or even Megam Tensei 4. It's impossible due to sales, but it would be great if Atlus woul wise up and just hand Cozy Okada a huge amount of money to come back... anything that'll make him come back cause MegaTen is being run into the damn ground. Megaten is dead. Fuck it. I should've known that a new Persona never had a chance of reliving it's glory days after Satomi Tadashi left. (He was the person responsible for kick starting the Persona project in the first place.) As for Okada. The reason he left Atlus was because he feared that he might bankrupt atlus due to his influence in the Megaten projects. Notice how every Megaten game before DDS all felt, looked & played basically the same. The only differences were SMT: Darker, & more philosophical than the spin off games. DS: More cyberpunk, & less dark than true megaten. The core game mechanics remain somewhat faithful to true megaten. Persona: Started off as a more complex SMT IF. The P2 games later adopted a system that was similar to DS 2 Soul Hackers, but with noticeably dumbed down gameplay. Persona stories tend to be more about personal conflicts. Rather than a battle of ideologies like true megaten. Modern Megaten DS: Action RPG Persona: Sakura Taisen lite While I can applaud Atlus for trying something new with their Megaten franchises. It just sucks how the direction that they're going now is not to my liking. Which is why I guess I'm glad that I jumped ship to Suda 51 back in 2005. However I can easily see Suda becoming as diluted as Megaten, should he ever try to expand more on the (mainstream/simplified) No More Heroes universe. Bringing Okada back wouldn't change a damn thing. True Megaten was the result of a collaborative effort. Hell, I miss the days when Megaten had Takehiro Kawabe, Toshiko Tasaki, Ryuuchi Katsumata, etc. to compose their music. (The OST's for the original three Persona games will always remain Megaten's best IMO.) Most of the main key people have either left (Tadashi, Okada, etc.), or have had their roles diminished. (Kazuma Kaneko)

R.I.P Persona. You were good in the old days, but now you have a severe case of AIDS, cancer, and diabeetus all mixed in to one strong disease that I like to call "the FF7 syndrome." Somebody get the gun. Also, RAGE. I actually like FF VII & P3. (As stand alone games. I don't consider P3 as a good Megaten, but it is a decent game.) I just can't stand the after affects of those two games. FF VII & P3 effectively killed off the identity of the series that their games once represented. Both FF VII & P3 relied on typical animu story telling devices, & character designs. The main thing that bothers moi is how everybody acts as if all Persona games played & looked like P3. (Similar to the case that happened with FF VII.) Another thing that I can't stand about Megaten's newfound popularity is all the pseudo intellectualism that games like P3 attract. Isoulle once remarked about how the childishness began shortly during the release of P2 Eternal Punishment, and I don't deny that. At least with P2's case. P2 had an overall foreboding vibe. While Persona was never as philosophical as True Megaten. Persona did used to contain a shit load of social political commentary. Which is what I think is sorely missing from todays Persona games. Whatever happened to the New World Order, the Hitler & Bin Laden political satire. Everything that made Persona "smart" has been dumbed down considerably, & it shows when you see how vocal the newer Persona fanbase is. (You can't say that you prefer the older Persona games at all. Unless you want to be verbally harrassed by newer Persona fans indirectly labeling you as a dumbass.) Pseudo intellectualism is actually one of the main things that bothers moi about the Suda 51 fanbase. I can't stand how people pretend to understand deep & complex concepts that are being integrated into these games, when it's clear as night & day. That most fans have no idea what they're talking about. (They just pretend to, simply because of some game they played.) It just saddens moi that Megaten fans have become even more annoying than the mainstream Suda 51 fanbase. The suda 51 pseudo intellectualism nonsense isn't as strong at this site. Mainly because I try to keep everybody critical minded about the Suda games.

So far the only Megaten game I ever played was Demikids, and probably thats a sad thing. Was the gameplay of old megaten games good? (never played any of those) What does "mainstream" mean?(my english is far from perfect)

Mainstream, more accepted by the general public. Not as "niche" as the older Personas were. I think it's great that the whole series is more popular, it deserves it. Plus, as a whole, games are made to make money, just like music and movies. I don't think the MegaTen guys ever claimed that the games were attempts at art (Although it's up to you if it was or not), just nice games. The Persona series seems to be turning into the "No More Heroes" of MegaTen (More genral public friendly, but not quite as "classic" in theme). Hopefully the "Main" MegaTen series will keep the old feel, but if they don't... Too bad. Tough luck. Do what TopDrunkee did and find something else. They aren't going to change for you, and don't owe you anything (If you think they do, you need to go back to GameFaqs.). Find something that you like, ther's always a new series around the corner.

The Persona series seems to be turning into the "No More Heroes" of MegaTen (More genral public friendly, but not quite as "classic" in theme). Hopefully the "Main" MegaTen series will keep the old feel, but if they don't... Too bad. Tough luck. No More Heroes doesn't even have any meaning. Persona at least used to revolve around the psycological make up of the human mind Old school Persona didn't even feel like Shin Megami Tensei in the first place. True SMT is more like Deus Ex. Old school Persona had more in common with the likes of "Yakuza/Like A Dragon" if you ask me. You seriously don't seem to understand what made Megaten different in the first place. It bothers moi, because you make it sound as if people are getting snobby because "Oh no game is popular!" That ain't it at all. I have nothing against mainstream games. It is just most mainstream games have content that I do not appreciate nor care for. Read this thread to see why some of us just don't give a fuck about Megaten anymore. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=951&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=9" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=951&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=9 It has nothing to do with popularity. It has more to do with the lack of intelligence, & vision that todays megaten games have. I still think it's hilarious how Megaten finally became known in the West after Megaten stopped being MEGATEN. All I'll say is that Megaten games used to be smart & thought provoking. They contained messages that were relevant to todays society. I am predominantly a beat em up/fighting gamer, but every once in awhile I like to unwind with games that exercise my brain. That's usually where Megaten USED to come in. Now they have become nothing more than common place drivel directed toward the teenage market. As an adult I'd expect to see more games for adults with intellectual minds. As each day passes by... I tend to see that video gaming will always drag behind other mediums no matter what, because adult/mature rated video games will always cater to overgrown children in the body of an adult. (Just about every Mature rated game ever made was really just an over glorified PG-13 movie or Rated R action flick.) If I wanted to play an animu rpg, I'd play something that doesn't suck (Raido) or isn't mediocre (DDS, DDS2, P3) such as Tales of..., Star Ocean, Lunar and the like. I wish that SEGA would translate Sakura Wars to the West. That way everybody could see how mediocre Persona actually is when compared to the games that it models itself after. I think it's great that the whole series is more popular, it deserves it. Plus, as a whole, games are made to make money, just like music and movies. I don't think the MegaTen guys ever claimed that the games were attempts at art (Although it's up to you if it was or not), just nice games. I think you seem to misunderstand why most of the old guard dislikes the newer Persona games. They dislike modern Persona, because it doesn't look or feel like a Persona game at all. We would all like to see Persona gain in more popularity, but who cares about popularity when it comes at the cost of your soul? Modern day Persona is like some childhood girl you grew up with. Who had her own style & state of mind. Then one day she becomes (hollywood) popular, because she threw away all her ideals, & catered to the masses by changing everything about her that made her special. That's exactly what happened to Persona. Persona was originally about gothic occultism, jungian philosophy, & japanese subcultures. Modern day Persona is more like an anime made in the form of a game. This has nothing to do about "art". I used to like Megaten games, because they were intelligent. Now they have been dumbed down for mass consumption. Nobody is angry that Persona is popular in America now. That's retarded. What people are annoyed about is that Persona has lost it's identity in order to appeal to a larger market. It alienates the former fans of the franchise. I originated as a Suikoden fan, and I would've never thought that I would convert back to Suikoden, but as it stands. Suikoden seems to be the only Jrpg left that actually has "brains" & intelligence needed for I to take time off from the action games that I usually play. I think you've never seen or listened to an interview by Cozy Okada & Kazuma Kaneko at all. Their interviews get so extremely detailed. That it's hard to not see that Okada & Kaneko did indeed inject some much needed culture into an industry that's infested with tripe that caters to the ignorant masses. This is why Megaten is dead. Okada & Kaneko have nothing to do with the megaten games anymore. Enough about that though. Megaten is the new Final Fantasy, and I think that's what all old school Megaten fans have to learn to accept. Who knows we might finally get a decent megaten game 10 years from now once SMT, Persona, & Devil Summoner reach ther 12th installment, lol. One misunderstanding that I can't stand about this site is how everybody seems to get the impression that we don't like mainstream games. That's not true at all. Gears of War, RE 4, & SF 2 are mainstream, and I have nothing against them at all. (In fact I prefer RE4 over K7 anyday.) My only problem is that most mainstream games lack "meat" Games such as Tactics Ogre will always be better than the likes of Nippon Ichi games. Games like Megaten at one time were always fresher than Final Fantasy games. Now in days Megaten has become more like Shadow Hearts. In the sense that Megaten is basically a darker Final Fantasy rife with animu stereotypes, & cliches, etc. I was hooked on to Megaten games, because they were so dark & broody when compared to other Jrpgs. Megaten in it's truest form was like a Cyber punkish hybrid between Wizardry & Deus Ex. I'll say this much, modern day Megaten is definitely not PUNK.

Persona 4 DVD trailer http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=GJt2ZnL9eTQ P4 has a much better theme song. It actually sounds like a song that the original Persona trilogy cast would listen to. I could imagine Maya Amano using the P4 theme as her ring tone. Similar to how she uses the P2 EP R&B theme as her ring tone. Looks to be the same exact game as P3 with a bit more exploration. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you. What I will comment on is this hilarious comment. Marluxia (il y a 1 heure) Afficher Masquer 0 Commentaire sans intérêt Commentaire pertinent Marqué comme spam Répondre Wii doesnt deserve SMT or Persona you fanboy if anything it should be PS3 which the next game will be on Atlus doesn't even have enough money to develop a game on the PS3, lol. The next megaten games are most likely going to be developed on either the DS or Wii, because those systems are more cost efficient. I think it's hilarious how he labels somebody a fanboy yet it's clearly apparent that he's just making up shit out of his ass.

I like the theme song in this. Especially the vocals in it. Looks lik Igor got some new wheels lol. .. Hopefully the "Main" MegaTen series will keep the old feel, but if they don't... Too bad. Tough luck. Do what TopDrunkee did and find something else. They aren't going to change for you, and don't owe you anything (If you think they do, you need to go back to GameFaqs.). Find something that you like, ther's always a new series around the corner. Well, that may be easy for newer or not as serious fans of somthing to just "drop" it and move onto somthing else. But for some of us who have been with these games from the very beginning, major change is difficult to accept at first.. and some won't even accept it and just leave lik you said. But comments like "too bad" or "tough luck" is basically like saying "get lost" followed with a slap in the face.. but thankfully that aint coming directly from Atlus lol at least not in spoken word.

Godd Points See, that's what I like about you, and this site. You guys prove people wrong/counter-point with actual CLASS (Which is more then I can say for other sites). I appreciate it. *sigh* I'm just a baby when it comes to MegaTen fandom, I barely started a couple years ago. You had it part of your life at the time, so it makes sense why you would take it so close to you. Sorry that I was generalizing, and grouping. I know that you guys don't all feel that way, I guess was just running my mouth because I though people were being a bit too whiney on the internet. I guess I need to stop going to so many Forums. Sorry. :( But, yeah. It sucks that it lost it's "soul", but as with your anology with the Girl, you should do the same as you would there. Once something loses its essence, jump ship. Go to a new "girl", as the one you liked before just isn't the same, and you aren't going to change her, as much as it sucks. Sometimes, I guess you just can't win...

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