How did you make the connection between those pics and the bank heist? Are you talking about that one in Jaco's reports? I believe there was no intervention from the Killer7 in that part... The Smiles just blew everyone up, and the last ones were killed by "Jaco". It's not impossible, I guess. The killer7 might have been there, but I just don't see the connection in those pictures.

How did you make the connection between those pics and the bank heist? Are you talking about that one in Jaco's reports? I believe there was no intervention from the Killer7 in that part... The Smiles just blew everyone up, and the last ones were killed by "Jaco". It's not impossible, I guess. The killer7 might have been there, but I just don't see the connection in those pictures. When I first read that Jaco excerpt, I immediately thought about the way Killer 7 was originally supposed to look. You know back when Garcian wore a purple suit & glasses. (Purple represents power in Japan. Which would again indicate Emir's japanese indoctrination.) To I, the way he described the bank heist sounded like it would look exactly like the way those screens look. If Silver Case is any indication, than Jaco only tells the story from his perspective. (What he actually saw or heard. Not the whole truth, because he's not privy to such information.) He didn't actually enter the bank until the skirmish was over. Under my command, three units had infiltrated the bank. I waited and listened to their reports from a distance--and they had stopped communicating with me. The final report on the incident states that there were twenty-nine explosions. After that . . . nothing. Only pure silence. The way I see it. The Killer 7 actually infiltrated the bank when the massacre was still going on. (Jaco was outside the bank. Commanding his squads at the time.) We never hear about the Killer 7, because they're supposed to be a well kept secret. (They probably just killed anyone who actually saw them.) The Killer 7 most likely left right after the 29 explosions. IMO the explosions went off because of the Killer 7. The final report on the incident states that there were twenty-nine explosions. After that . . . nothing. Only pure silence. The Killer 7 were long gone, before Jaco entered the building. When Jaco finally goes inside the bank. Everyone was already dead. Indicating that the skirmish was over. His description of his surroundings sounded dark & eerie, which is the impression that I get from those screens. (Plus if you seen that entire trailer, all you really saw was a blood bath. Depicting the Killer 7 killing all these humans with weird smiles. I think the part with Kaede & Con is in the bank. The other scene with Kun Lan & that woman is actually from Alter Ego. (The only remnant from that scene that made it into the game was the architecture of the building.) IMO the scenario that Jaco describes sounds like the scenario that happens when Uehara Kamui escapes & kills of the entire Republic Peace Special Forces. (IMO, Jaco's FBI Special Forces is the American equivalent of the Republic Peace Force.) BTW here's pictures of what Ayame Shimohira & Uehara Kamui actually are. I keep forgetting to mention that the Ayame Shimohira we see was originally a woman named Kaiji Enzawa. (Her mind & body was taken over by Ayame Shimohira.) IMO, Harman Smith exists as a force of energy or consciousness. Just like Shimohira & Kamui. They only exist in human form, because they either inhabited someone elses body, or they took control of a stock body specially made for them. I was also going to post more pics of the many different appearances that Tokio Morishima & Tetsugoro Kusabi had in their games, but I'm too lazy to search around my folders for their pics.

IMO the scenario that Jaco describes sounds like the scenario that happens when Uehara Kamui escapes & kills of the entire Republic Peace Special Forces Is that that forest scene in #01 Decoyman? Those pictures are Kamui and Uehara's original bodies, right? Harman and Kun Lan also seemed to have been living for a few centuries past. That may be a metaphor for the stand alone complex. One event that people copy for different reasons and transforms overtime into one big mess extremely difficult to decipher but is in fact something fundamentally very simple. It's just that several entities, individuals, corporations, politicians take advantage of that simple event and turn it into something that is apparently big. Of course, the present set of events has nothing to do with the original. In the case of Killer7 it seems to me that Harman was a simple assassin centuries ago that was killed in retaliation while playing chess with his rival (for all I know, could have been his bitch or just someone who was passing by. In HIK7 it is even mentioned that Kun Lan worked as a Taxi driver). This has since then been revived by certain people and kept alive by people's will. Is not that they are actually alive, it's the people as a whole that are keeping them alive as ideas, changing accordingly by whoever's using them. So, to me, they were alive at some point in time, but that's beside he point now - now they're just ideas that are fueled by other individuals. This is also a theme in the Berserk manga.

Back. Here's some prototypes of the new layout. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/unnew.htm As you can see, it's much less... post modern, lol. (I even quote word meanings in quotations now, rather than leave the web surfer to figure it out.) http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/games.htm Killer 7 "This is the true story...of seven strangers...picked to live in a hotel...work together, and have their lives stripped...to find out what happens when people stop being polite...and start getting real, real fucking insane ...The Real United World against Terrorism." Silver Case Future, age, past, magnificent country, Terrorism, I , the Silver Case Sakura Natsume: Have you ever..".. heard such an expression ?' ..'.. The answer is in Kamui (God). Kamui (God) is not here. Kamui (God) is within our population. She only cries out for Kamui (God)? I'm trying to emulate the feel of the http://www.mulholland-drive.net/home.htm website. Since that site did a thorough job of giving I a grounded base of the logic of that movie. (My character & investigate pages will be structurally similar to the studies/theories pages of the Mulholland drive site.) I like that. It is nicer than the other one (although, to be honest, I actually get kind of confused with the layout of both, but that's what the site map's for). Mulholland Drive...is that a David Lynch movie? I've never actually seen any of his work. Maybe I should, someday. But like we both said, when that layout is finished, it'll be great in giving people a new way to look at Suda's work. I'm definitely going to watch. Although imo the faq takes way too much liberties in order to make K7 sound like a coherent story. That's a good way to put it. That's the biggest flaw of it, but it's also what makes it so appealing. I'm curious. WHat did NMH use that was from K7? Besides Emir. He doesn't really count imo. I've always envisioned him as being given a role in a future Silver Case game as some random hitman that Sumio & co. conduct cases on, but never capture. Uh, sorry for that confusion. Emir was what I meant. Other than that (and the guy that gives you abilities like "memory of child", "memory of three", "memory of demon", etc. (which all mimic some of the Killer7's abilities)), that's all the Killer7 stuff there is (unless there's something else that just happened to not be in Youtube). But I was just saying that if they used Killer7-ish stuff in there (even if it could be taken as little more than a joke/reference instead of a plot tie-in), I think it could lead to something later on. If you haven't seen the news, apparently, Suda wants to make NMH (or at least Travis' story) a trilogy, and if he means that in a conventional sense, that seems like it might be strange for his work. I mean, the only other protagonist who appeared multiple times (as the protagonist) was Sumio, right? Unless he was only the protagonist in FSR and not in SC, which I forgot. http://www.cubed3.com/news/9198/1/Suda-san_Considering_Travis_Trilogy I prefer the humans with joker smiles, because it looks more "dark" Plus one of the main reasons why Jaco Checkbox hunts down Kun Lan is because Jaco was also at that same exact bank heist. He saw his wife & his daughter at that bank, but they were turned by the hand of god. They had joker smiles on their face & no longer recognized him. They tried to kill him & he fought back killing them first. It's this incident at that bank that led the Jaco checkbox guy to manipulate Samantha into manipulating Harman (Who in turn would direct the Killer 7.) to kill all those targets during the Killer 7 game. IMO, it seems like that scene would've had more emotional impact if the Smiles remained looking human. (Not that it matters, the bank heist wasn't even included in the game.) When you look at it from an emotional perspective like that, it would seem like that part would have worked a lot better with the human-ish Smiles. But IMHO, in the finished game, I don't know if having the human-ish Smiles would have added much other than (more) creepiness, since the finished product never really establishes any kind of emotional connection to the Smiles, except for maybe Ulmeyda's case. I'm honestly not sure if Harman is alive. (As in normal human form, not a godly entity. It's obvious that he still exists in celestial form.) He's very similar to the Camilla Rhodes figure in Mulholland Drive. For all we know every Harman we see may just be a projection, & the only real Harman is the one inside the safe. (The rest may be random nobodies dressed up like Harman who also act & pretend to be Harman.) The rest of what you said sounds good though. That makes sense. I mean, I knew there was the ambiguity about which Harman was what, but I didn't really think much on the possibility of none of them being physical bodies. That's what's good about this stuff, though-not having straight answers on everything (and not in a cheap kind of way, either). This is what I see it as. Harman in the trailer = random government guy acting as Harman (even Jaco said that he was "the old man the Killer7 sees as their leader"; I don't think that he's the real thing). Harman that you play as = the spirit of Harman coming through Emir's body (usually into the non-physical world, but then there's his meeting with Fukushima, which makes me think he can "channel" himself through Emir). Harman that you see talking to Kun Lan and playing chess with = Harman on the non-physical plane. Harman that was in the safe = a physical, real Harman that Emir killed a while ago. Young Harman = a plot device. If he had to be anything more, I'd say he isn't the real Harman and is a person posing as him, but I think him being something you're not supposed to read too deeply into works better. Dead/sleeping Harman at end of game = symbolism? Or something. I don't think he's either a person posing as Harman or the real Harman in a physical form.

In HIK7 it is even mentioned that Kun Lan worked as a Taxi driver) Ah man, now that's interesting. I never knew that. Where was that listed at? I think it's f'ng badass how he used to be a Taxi driver. I always saw Kun Lan as some one dimensional ass wipe who was born as the boss of some underground crime syndicate. Is that that forest scene in #01 Decoyman? It's at the very beginning of the level. You probably played through it already. That may be a metaphor for the stand alone complex. One event that people copy for different reasons and transforms overtime into one big mess extremely difficult to decipher but is in fact something fundamentally very simple. It's just that several entities, individuals, corporations, politicians take advantage of that simple event and turn it into something that is apparently big. Of course, the present set of events has nothing to do with the original. Yup, that's it in a nutshell. The original Uehara Kamui was an assassin under the payroll of Sundance Shot named Fujiwara Kamui. The Hachisuka's fabricated the event of the "Silver Case" murders in order to make Sundance Shot lose public face. (He used to be the head of a political party known as FSO. I think they specialized in the welfare of the people. I forgot what it is they actually do. I need to re read my own site since I already have it jotted down their.) A series of other Kamui came around 20 years later. (This is when #1Decoy man starts.) The funny thing is, these Uehara Kamuis are only in their 20's. (If they were the real Fujiwara Kamui, than they would be over 40 - 50 years old.) Note: It's revealed near the end of the game that the original Kamui actually died when he was trying to assassinate Sundance's political rivals at a TV Tower meeting. In the case of Killer7 it seems to me that Harman was a simple assassin centuries ago that was killed in retaliation while playing chess with his rival (for all I know, could have been his bitch or just someone who was passing by. In HIK7 it is even mentioned that Kun Lan worked as a Taxi driver). This has since then been revived by certain people and kept alive by people's will. Is not that they are actually alive, it's the people as a whole that are keeping them alive as ideas, changing accordingly by whoever's using them. Yup, that's it exactly. That's what I've always been trying to say. I just didn't know how to word it properly. To add to that, The consciousness still lives on as a Tulpa life form. Precisely because the idea of Harman & Kun Lan live on through the hearts & minds of the people. IN FSR, Sumio Mondo actually gets shot dead. I don't really understand why he's still alive though. It has something to do with Shelter Children Policy & Kamui. (I think in FSR, they merely label Kamui as just God/Divine spirit. Rather then calling Uehara Kamui.) In the ending you actually see Sundance Shot standing around with 20 other Sumio's who all died already. (He was about to get arrested by the police, so he figured he'd might as well let the cat out of the bag.) He says some shit about how him & Sumio are similar, & that Sumio needs to live on for the will of his dead brothers or some shit. (Sundance is speaking figuratively.) I think it's kinda funny, because Sundance is always depicted as a bad guy, but we always find out by the end that he's just a misunderstood tragic hero who always gets arrested or exiled, lol. The real bad guys are actually our heroes Sumio & Tetsugoro Kusabi. It's not that they consciously know that they are bad though. (I think they're just both delusional...... as hell.) It's just that everything they do actually makes the world around them worse. It's about time that I sticky this topic. I'm going to be referencing it a lot when I rewrite the web site. BTW here's a picture of a Japanese celebrity, Sayaka Baian's will/consciousness after she died. Sayaka committing sucide... http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silverBaianSayaka.wmv The Sayaka Baian report http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silverBaianSayaka02.wmv I've heard that Sayaka actually lives on through Yayoi Hanayama from FSR. I'm not sure how valid that is though. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=674" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=674 This is what I see it as. Harman in the trailer = random government guy acting as Harman (even Jaco said that he was "the old man the Killer7 sees as their leader"; I don't think that he's the real thing). Harman that you play as = the spirit of Harman coming through Emir's body (usually into the non-physical world, but then there's his meeting with Fukushima, which makes me think he can "channel" himself through Emir). Harman that you see talking to Kun Lan and playing chess with = Harman on the non-physical plane. Harman that was in the safe = a physical, real Harman that Emir killed a while ago. Young Harman = a plot device. If he had to be anything more, I'd say he isn't the real Harman and is a person posing as him, but I think him being something you're not supposed to read too deeply into works better. Dead/sleeping Harman at end of game = symbolism? Or something. I don't think he's either a person posing as Harman or the real Harman in a physical form. That's the way I see it. I have nothing else to add, because you've already explained my exact thoughts of who the Harman Smiths are. I've always saw the final (dead/sleeping) Harman as symbolism for Emir's truly awakened state of mind. Emir no longer needs the Harman crutch in order to function within society. So the "idea" of Harman Smith reverts back into the depths of Emir's sub conscious. Since Harman Smith is no longer needed. (For Emir to function as a normal human being.... who gets paid to kill people.) Uh, sorry for that confusion. Emir was what I meant. Other than that (and the guy that gives you abilities like "memory of child", "memory of three", "memory of demon", etc. (which all mimic some of the Killer7's abilities)), that's all the Killer7 stuff there is (unless there's something else that just happened to not be in Youtube). But I was just saying that if they used Killer7-ish stuff in there (even if it could be taken as little more than a joke/reference instead of a plot tie-in), I think it could lead to something later on. I don't really see that as anything that's specific to Killer 7's setting. Some characters in the original setting have had strange Kun Lan like powers as well. (Such as Toriko Kusabi.) Now had NMH directly referenced the geo politics of Killer 7 than I would be inclined to agree that the K7 setting is being expanded on. The geo politics of K7 just doesn't coincide with Silver Case. (Granted the SC games take place in Japan, but even so. Factions such as the Union 7 & Matsuken don't exist at all in the SC setting.) I think that's unlikely though since Travis actually does use some form of trans communication. I've always envisioned Emir as being part of the Silver Case universe, because he's pretty much written like a standard Silver Case character. We know his history, & he's a heavily developed character. If you haven't seen the news, apparently, Suda wants to make NMH (or at least Travis' story) a trilogy, and if he means that in a conventional sense, that seems like it might be strange for his work. I mean, the only other protagonist who appeared multiple times (as the protagonist) was Sumio, right? Unless he was only the protagonist in FSR and not in SC, which I forgot. http://www.cubed3.com/news/9198/1/Suda-san_Considering_Travis_Trilogy I could see it happening if the games are only based off of Travis, and not every single game where you are actually playing as Travis. (Hopefully that means, Dan Smith comes back in some shape or form. IMO, the only aspects of K7 that I feel would ever get expanded on are the characters from that game. I'm interested to see how Suda would expand on Linda Vermilion. Either that or she was merely meant to be a Japanese subculture reference AKA Meiko Kaji.) Sumio himself has been in 4 different GHM games. Sumio only played the lead defining role in FSR. Although he somewhat shared that role with Toriko Kusabi. (Sumio also gets overshadowed by both Tetsugoro Kusabi & Tokio Morishima during they're split second appearances in FSR.) SC had a chapter dedicated to Sumio. (Like how Dan Smith had his very own chapter in K7.) It's the chapter when Sumio destroys an entire city with the aid of his child hood friends. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silver/silverfyuki.swf (They look like typical bad guys, until you find out that they're actually Sumio's friends.) The main character in Silver Case was actually yourself. (You, the person who is playing the game.) Your default name in SC is AKIRA. (He sorta looks like Sumio Mondo. Same hair cut & facial structure.) There's a big plot twist at the end of the game that revolves around the existence of you. (The person playing the game.) I'm glad that SC never expanded on that idea, because I thought it was cheesy, breaking the 4rth wall like that. If we ignore for a moment that you, yourself are the main character in the first Silver Case game. We have a shit load of other characters who could be classified as the main characters. Tetsugoro Kusabi Tokio Morishima Sakura Natsume SUMIO To a lesser extent Sundance Shot & Toriko Kusabi. As they have been mentioned or referenced in almost every single game except Killer 7 & NMH. In Silver Case 25 Ward. The main characters remain the same. Except for Tetsugoro Kusabi, who is conducting a case in the United States. Tokio Morishima Sakura Natsume SUMIO Plus three new characters. We also see the return of Toriko Kusabi & Yoshimitsu Koshimzu from FSR. I think the Toriko Kusabi in 2 Ward is the real Toriko Kusabi, who is Tetsugoro's daughter. (A reoccurring theme about the Kusabi's is that they never appear in the same game at the same time. Tetsugoro Kusabi only appeared during the FSR ending. Toriko Kusabi only existed as concept art during Silver Case. We only knew about her in SC, because Tetsugoro talks about his daughter who fucking hates him, lol.) I like that. It is nicer than the other one (although, to be honest, I actually get kind of confused with the layout of both, but that's what the site map's for). Mulholland Drive...is that a David Lynch movie? I've never actually seen any of his work. Maybe I should, someday. But like we both said, when that layout is finished, it'll be great in giving people a new way to look at Suda's work. I'm definitely going to watch. It's still in the works. I haven't actually made the pages that correspond to the new lay out yet. Plus, I'm also having some difficulty due to how many characters are actually in the GHM universe. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/psycho.htm I need to separate the relevant character pics & the character list into two different pages. I think the most intriguing part of the character list is the GOD & Influential family section. Especially when take into account that the Smith's are all one person. Yes, Mulholland Drive is a David Lynch movie. It's one of my top 3 movies, actually. The other 3 being Ninja Scroll, The Professional, & Audition. (MD has replaced Audition, in my top 3.)

Where was that listed at? I think it's f'ng badass how he used to be a Taxi driver. I always saw Kun Lan as some one dimensional ass wipe who was born as the boss of some underground crime syndicate. It's in Hand in Killer7, actually the info about it is pretty much one line in Kun Lan's profile: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B: KUN LAN: Terror from the East. "Harman . . . the world won't change. All it does is turn. Now, let's dance." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Half Tibetan and half Chinese, his age is unknown. (2) He is the son of a governor. (3) He is an incarnation of the demon, Mara Papima. (4) He became the leader of underground societies at the age of three. (5) His power has made him known as "God's Hand." (6) He studied at a prestigious American university. (7) He lost his Tibetan citizenship when he was twenty-four years old. (8) Using fake passports, he has moved through underground organizations all over the world. (9) In the past, he worked as a taxicab driver in Japan. (10) His objective is the destruction of nations, using billions of Heaven Smiles. (11) Kun Lan is Harman's most distant neighbor, closest observer, most sympathetic companion, and target. Now, I don't know for sure what "in the Past" means here, but it was pretty hard for me to picture Kun Lan working as a cabbie, lol. Maybe as a cover job, I'm not sure at this point.

Kun Lan was an underground leader who threatened entire nations and drove a taxi on the side? ...I don't understand.

Have you seen Taxi Driver? That guy threatened a nation and drove a taxi as well. Actually he threatened the pimp business, but that's halfway there.

Deniro, I could understand, but he's a good actor. I'm not sure Kun Lan could pull it off in that role.