Questions me (a Noob!) am asking possible spoilers.
I have a few questions about the ending to Killer 7. You guys probably get these kinds of threads all of the time, but I am a bit new so bare with me? :) 1.)Emir- Okay so its become obvious that Emir is really Garcian and the killer of those 6 people at the Union Hotel. But here is two things I want to know. How is Emir, Garcian if he killed himself. Infact, he died twice! Once on that roof and he was also found dead in a school safe. 2.)Emir's Suicide- When you see Emir Kill himself, or Garcian or whoever killed themselves on the roof of the Union Hotel, is that a moment from the past or a moment happening at that very moment. 3.) Pretty Stupid Question but I never really figured out. Why exactly did Emir kill 6 random people at the Union Hotel, for example, a kid like Con, he was just standing there listening to music, and bam, shot in the back 3-4 times. 4.)Huge Question- About the whole Killer7 thing. First of all, who are they the split personalities of? Harman Smith or Garcian Smith, or is Garcian just another persona of Harman, that I never figured out in my noobish brain. Also if they are different personalities of Garcian, and Garcian opens his suitcase to revive someone, shouldn't he have figured it all out right then and there what was going on? What do those Guns mean? And if all these persona belonged to Harman, which was killed by Emir who is Garcian(o_O)how are thsoe peronsalities even alive if Harman is dead right there. Are Garcian and Harman two different people or not, that is what confuses me some as well. 5.) Final Question- Why is Garcian so surprised about Emir on the roof and the guns and all of that stuff if that already had happened before anyway. So those are my questions, and yes I know they suck but please :) I have been going crazy about it! Thanks Guys!

Heh, man you got some loaded questions there! I'll try to answer them, at the risk of being flamed by the others! Well honestly, these questions have been asked by other patrons. But I'm sure you'll find a generic answer like this: As far as the characters are concerned, those kinds of answers are mostly for yourself to find. What I mean is, you get out of it what you want out of it. There is a plot synopsis on gamefaqs.com, which is very well thought out and written, however this board has made contradictions in the author's theory. Research a bit on Multiple Personality Disorder. Understand why personalites are created. Also its gonna help you to research the Japanese guidebook "Hand in Killer 7." You should be able to find a translation either here, or on Topdrunkee's offical Killer 7 fan site. But many fans have argued that this book is not "canon" to the mythos of Killer 7 since it isn't the final form of the story. The final form is the game's plot, and that is where the true evidence lies where we base our conjectures from. Yet, Hand in Killer 7 was written by Suda 51, the game's director himself, so we can't exactly ignore its information. An interesting struggle. Finally if you can find the offical US strat. guide for Killer 7, there is a full page interview with Suda 51, the games director, about most of th eplot twists and turns. Also I believe there is a scan somewhere on this board. But since I've typed this much so far, I'll do my best to give you answers that seem to be most accurate. 1) There is no physical human being named "Garcian Smith." There never was, it was always Emir Parkreiner. Who you think is Garcian Smith, is infact another personality of Emir's mind created to deal with the stress and trauma he experienced when he was young, 14 years old I believe. 2) Emir did feed himself a bullet. However, as stated by Harman Smith, I believe in the Hand in Killer 7 (HiK7) he also has immortality. 3) Those 6 people were, in fact, the real Killer 7. Or at least thats what the media calls them. The seven individuals you've been playing as are not the real Killer 7. 4) Honestly this question deals with points from the earlier questions, or I hope I can make that clear... The Killer 7 you've been playing as is in fact, Emir Parkreiner. Dan, Con, Kaede, Mask, Coyote, Kevin, and Garcian are all personalites that Emir uses. Garcian Smith is Emir's default persona. He was created when Emir's mental condition finally broke, and he needed protection. This can be theorized/concluded since he is not selectable unless you get him from the TV, and when you play as him, you cannot select other memebers unless you use the TV. Dan, Con, etc. were all real people that Emir killed. After their death, Emir "absorbed" their personalites and is able to use them. Inside the case Emir carries is all the weapons of the Killer 7. When he uses a weapon he uses the gun's matching personality. Onto Harman: Most fans believe/understand that there are three forms of Harman Smith. A "god-like" form, a form named "Young Harman Smith who has a god-like presence as well as a physical worldy presence, and the "Old Harman Smith" who was a real person, but was murdered, and is long dead. His bodily remains are inside the safe within the school. 5) The entire school rooftop scene is one giant symbol. Garcian is essentially being confronted by his past, young Emir, and is understanding who he really is. It also means that the conflict inside Emir's mind is finally being sorted through. It means Emir has "awoken." The person you play in the chapter "Lion" is a fully awakened Emir Parkreiner. His green eyes are also a symbol of this. Okay thats about it, for now, I'm sure. Just understand that Emir is the Killer 7. If you play the first chapter again, you understand why Travis calls you Emir. And you'll laugh that the game told you te twist straight from the beginning. But Suda 51 was clever enough to distract you the whole time. Also understand that you should never use the basic idea of good and evil/god and the devil to define anything in Killer 7. That whole concept is one huge ass red herring. But know that all the political events are all real and are the only true factual events that took place in the game. Again, the characters like the Killer 7 remain to be of your own assumptions. Which is why the last chapter had you to control who "won." Oh, and I'm told that the pidgeons are GOD!!!!

THANK YOU, that cleared up a lot. But now, I have two questions. How is Emir immortal? I though Kun Lan and Harman were the only two in the world. Also, why is Harman in the safe at the school if they said Emir was found their. So basically, let me get this straight as well in this post, the whole time, you play as Emir, and the closest resemblance to him is Garcian. Okay, but my other questions leave me with some confusion.

Emir is immortal, for the sake of the director's wishes. There is no real reason, except it is mentioned in the Hand in Killer 7 book that Harman Smith sees immortality inside Emir. Emir's body, was never found, because it didn't die. There are no bodily remains since he is still alive. Harman Smith is dead, and his remains were locked inside that safe. Just keep the fact that Garcian is a part of Emir's mind, well was... There never was a physical form, identity or whatever that has the name Garcian Smith. Emir would walk around thinking he is Garcian Smith. Also there never was a man named Garcian Smith. That whole identity was created inside Emir's mind.

So, like, you are basically playing as Emir the whole time, and if someone actually saw you in the game, they would see Emir, not Con, or Kevin. So on the roof, the whole three eye thing and him shooting himself because he killed his whole team is just an illusion? If not then there would have been two emirs, which doesn't make sense. So, then why is Emir's other personalities have the last names Smith, I mean, to me it would make sense if they were split personalities of Harman, but they aren't, they (Emir/Killer7) are of Emir's. Also, is Garcian supposed to be closest to Emir? Just wondering. Also, about the whole, you'd see Emir thing not Con, if people did see him as Con, to me that is like he has the ability to transform actually into the personality, not have the personality activated and taking its guns out of the suitcase. Also, about the suitcase, wouldn't he have realized it if he saw the suitcase in the first place when he revives somebody?

Emir's not immortal. Harman & Kun Lan aren't immortal either. That's more of a metaphor if anything. The word "immortal" in K7 actually means that the idea of Harman & Kun Lan may live on forever, although the actual person may not. It's an ode to one of JFK's old sayings. "A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. " The real Kun Lan is never shown in game. The real Kun Lan is an old crippled man, who actually lives underneath the United States inside an asylum (Owned by the US government) by the time the events of K7 take place. What this means is that Kun Lan was never a threat at all, since he's actually an ally or patsy of the United States. It was just orchestrated by powers from inside the government. In HIK7, Kun & Harman have been known to switch roles & allegiances in the past. It just so happens that in K7 (The game), Harman got to play the role of the patriot, & Kun Lan got to play the part of the terrorist. Both of whom are lies instigated by the government. The real danger is actually in China. The Eastern threat. Which is exactly what the Harman Smith & Toru Fukushima cut scene was about. They were debating about how the world stage of politics is a sham, and that we the people are dumb as hell, because we actually believe what we're told & shown. Note: Actually only Fukushima was talking about how politics was like a theatrical play. Harman just mocked him through out the entire cut scene. (Probably becuase he already knows, & doesn't care.) We have to remember that Suda uses Orwellian double speak in his dialogue. Much of what is said in Killer7 doesn't exactly conform to the literal meanings of the word. The main example being the use of the word god. IMO, Harman & Kun just live on a higher plane of existence. I think Kun Lan is actually a Tulpa life form. (Much like Toriko Kusabi from Suda's FSR.) In other words... A living entity that was created through the power of the mind. Their only purpose is to represent the duality of the world as two sides of a single force. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=674" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=674 The name Emir only lives on, because when one Emir dies. The government (it's never specified which government.) brings in another random kid to take his place & assumes the Emir identity. (The Emir from WW II is not the same Emir in the video game. The original Emir probably wasn't even Black.) Emir is actually more of a codename. We the gamer, are never told what Emir's actual name is. (It's never explained in the HIK 7 book either.) The reason for that is because his real name is irrelevant. It's part of the government conspiracy theme of the game. The only thing the game wants you to know is that Emir was fucked even before the day he was born, because his parent weren't even his real parents. (They didn't have the same DNA.) Note: One of Garcian's fake parents was named KATHERINE. Which is the same name as Sumio's briefcase. In the Union Hotel, the bell hop (Who is a character from Flower Sun & Rain.) Said that he remembered Garcian & even his bag. That was actually the bell hop saying that he believes that Garcian & Sumio are the same person. Regardless of the fact that Sumio is Japanese & Garcian is an African Indian American. (The bell hop is possibly alluding that Garcian himself is really just a stock body of Sumio. Keep in mind that this is all just an easter egg though. Since Silver Case & FSR take place in our timeline. Whereas K7 takes place in an alternate reality.) IMO you should really try reading all the threads that we already have here. (The K7 discussion & the File 7 threads.) forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=610" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=610 forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=534" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=534 forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=494" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=494 As I've already answered your questions in most of the threads that are already here. Yes those are Harman's personalities. Harman has a power that lets him morph into his personalities. Garcian is his first. The Garcian personality is the sole reason that Emir has the ability to morph into the other personalities. Because Emir strongly believes that he is Garcian Smith. (The real Garcian acts exactly as the way he does in the game. A faithful servant to Harman.) What's really happening in game is that Emir is a puppet being manipulated by the US & Japan. They both control Emir by utilizing the image of his mentor "Harman Smith" I'm thinking about making it a requirement to ask all story related questions at the Q &A thread. This place is getting way too disorganized with all the same questions being asked over & over again. (You're not the first to ask these same set of questions.) I also have most of this covered in the actual website. Although I suspect that most people wouldn't want to take the time to read it all for one main reasons. 1. My website is disorganized. I originally only covered the politics of Killer 7. It wasn't until earlier this year that I decided to tackle the mythological aspect of the game. (Because most K7 fans think there's an actual meaning there. There isn't imo. The mythological themes are just a carry over from the SC & FSR.) I had a reason why I refused to write about it in the past, because now it has made my website as confusing as the game itself. It was a lot easier to understand & the info contained at my site. When it was only based off the political. I see the mythological stuff as excess content who's only purpose in the game is to obscure the plot. But many fans have argued that this book is not "canon" to the mythos of Killer 7 since it isn't the final form of the story. The final form is the game's plot, and that is where the true evidence lies where we base our conjectures from. Yet, Hand in Killer 7 was written by Suda 51, the game's director himself, so we can't exactly ignore its information. An interesting struggle. Yup, you summed up the struggle that I have as well with most K7 fans. Which is why I haven't bother to update with any actual content in quite some time. (I still have a whole hard drive of information that I've compiled from various Japanese websites & my own deliberations, but why bother when nobody takes it seriously. Save for the minour amount of people at this forum.) What most K7 fans don't seem to realize is that this is just standard practice. Many Japanese games tell their stories through books. That contain misc. information that never made it into the game. Most of the time these story themes never make it into the game due to either time constraints or the theme being too mature. The most glaring example imo is the Suikoden fanbase. To most Suiko fans, the Suiko plots didn't make sense until a man named Bluemoon ((Who now owns the site Suikox/Sars) came around & translated to everybody all the excess information that was never translated, (Suiko 2 had the worst English translation ever.) or never made it into the game. The main piece of info that everybody agrees on is that the reason why Luca Blight is so crazy is because he saw his mother get raped when he was a kid. What traumatized him was the fact that his father, the King of Highland ran away while she was getting raped. Much of the Luca BLight info from this link http://www.suikosource.com/chars/list/?char_id=444 Is not actually in the game at all, but at least most Suikoden fans are mature enough to admit that this is what the original story was intended to as. So in the end, what I'm saying is that I stick to the original version of what Suda planned. Since most of it doesn't really contradict what went on in the game. The events just happened differently & in rearranged order. The only plot that matters in Killer 7 is the political arc about article 9 of the US/Japan peace treaty. Everything else you see in the game is irrelevant, because he doesn't actually lead you anywhere. It's only there to confuse the player. (Which unfortunately my site has also become just as confusing as a result of adding in all that extra irrelevant content. I eventually caved in due to fanboy outlash.)

Thanks for helping me out Topdrunkee, I hope you post helped the TC to understand a bit more. I think for me, since from your post Top, I've still got plenty to learn about the Killer 7 plot, aside from its political discussions. My other struggle is my lack of knowledge on both Flower, Sun and Rain, and The Silver Case. Since Suda 51 has made numerous ties to each game, including Killer 7, it would benefit me to learn about their plots in detail. Since I don't know, I can't understand as good as I could. Heh, I just now got the "KATHERINE" reference, and the idea that Ed MacCalister sees Emir as Sumio. Which means, I should find me a plot synopsis or something about Silver Case, and FSR! Or pray these games get released in the US. And I hope you consider me one of the people who could appreciate that whole hard drive of info you have, Topdrunkee!

Okay, then here are hopefully the final three questions. 1.) Exactly, downright, who the HELL are you playing as? It can't be Emir, he is dead (and that Emir on the roof was sort of a vision/symbol, that is not where he actually killed himself?)and not Harman, because he is also dead, like five times already. 2.) Why, did Emir kill the people at the Union Hotel, what did they do? For example, again con, he's just a kid, are they all assasings? 3.) I though Kaede died from the hands of her brother?

Have you ever seen a David Lynch film? I'm just curious because experience with Lynch's directing style will aid you greatly in understanding the events of K7 because they both use the same story telling techniques. There are many details of the game that were never meant to be explained, much like a David Lynch film. It's more about what the event represents rather what it shows. Okay, then here are hopefully the final three questions. 1.) Exactly, downright, who the HELL are you playing as? It can't be Emir, he is dead (and that Emir on the roof was sort of a vision/symbol, that is not where he actually killed himself?)and not Harman, because he is also dead, like five times already. You are Emir. That Harman you meet at Union Hotel is probably the only Harman Smith in the game who isn't surreal. Emir never died physically. He only died mentally. When the game says that Emir was like reborn or what not at the Union Hotel roof. What they mean is that a guy who claims to be Harman Smith took Emir in underneath his wing, & trained him to be an assassin for the United States government. (Emir was originally a tool being used by the Japanese.) BTW most of the Harman's that are depicted in game are actually corporeal spirits. (Celestial/super natural beings with humanoid shape & form. Who can interact with their surroundings.) Who all originate from the same source of energy known as Harman Smith. (His consciousness.) 2.) Why, did Emir kill the people at the Union Hotel, what did they do? For example, again con, he's just a kid, are they all assasings? Emir is a psychopath who went on a killing spree. Killing 7 random people with the surname Smith. Or at least that's the cover story. What I think really happened is that the government covered up the murders & that the only person who actually is a Smith is Dan himself. Con may just be a kid, but Emir is too. You seem to have forgotten or misunderstood the concept of Coburn Elementary. (If I recall, I think Emir was supposed to be even y9ounger than Con.) Coburn Elmentary is an American school owned by a foreign entity. Which was in reality a trojan horse that cultivated politicians & assassin's who serve Japanese political interests. Emir is a student from that school. Which is why he is so talented at killing. 3.) I though Kaede died from the hands of her brother? That's one of the pieces of info from HIK 7 that I feel is minour or irrelevant. Does knowing about that piece of info change the plot of the game in any way, shape or form? Imo, not really. It's just excess information like Kevin being gay. Originally in HIK 7, Emir was supposed to kill 7 random people with the surname smith at a French hotel. The Union Hotel murders were originally supposed to be the murders of the Union 7. (A japanese political party.) I just now got the "KATHERINE" reference, I never noticed that either, until someone at youtube pointed that out to moi. I was showing a video depicting the connections of Killer 7 to SC & FSR, and the meaning of what the bell hop was trying to say. (He's not talking about Emir. He's talking about Sumio.) When I said that Ed was referring to SUmio's bag "KATHERINE" A youtuber made a connection by saying that Garcian also had a mother named Katherine. Which makes the Sumio/Garcian connection more relevant.

I love great story-telling!

Topdrunkee, I actually have a few questions too (sort of related to HiK7). First, you said that Harman and Kun Lan are immortal only in ideology and not physically. But then, what is meant by HiK7's timeline, where they're both alive before the founding of the US and still are after the 2100s? Is that, like a whole bunch of other stuff in Killer7, just supposed to be a metaphor for the ideas they represent, or is it meant to be something else? Or is it just a meaningless detail that you're supposed to overlook? Now, from what I'm understanding, you've said that Emir isn't actually using Harman's multifoliate personality thing, but we see that he can because he thinks he is Garcian Smith, who is one of Harman's personalities. So secondly (and sorry if this is just obvious and if I'm missing something big), does that mean there was a real person named Garcian who was "absorbed" by Harman? And on a related note, you said somewhere else that not all of the personalities that our character (Emir) has are really the ones that Harman has, because Emir just picked up on those people when he killed them at the hotel. Or at least, that's what I think it was; correct me if I'm wrong. Unless, like the other may be, this is just an unimportant detail. But after reading more into this board (I've lurked for a while, to be honest), I get the feeling that my questions are about the kind of things that don't really matter. If that last sentence is right, then forget what I said before.

Topdrunkee wrote: I can't really explain it. Harman & Kun Lan are basically like Uehara Kamui from Silver Case. (I think, I'm not sure.) Kamui is like some kind of fictional boogie man that is constantly shoved down peoples throats as some kind of scare tactic. (Like Kun Lan, or possibly even Osama Bin Laden, lol.) Uehara Kamui was based off an actual hitman (In the Silver Case game) named Fujiwara Kamui. (A hitman under the employment of Sundance Shot.) Kun & Harman are real people who actually lived at one time or the another, but their ideology & consciousness lives on through other stock bodies that assume the same name as Kun Lan & Harman Smith. Alright, that cleared a lot up for me (specifically the last sentence). I'm pretty sure I see what you're getting at here now with Harman and Kun Lan. Quote: No, I just said that they may not be the real Killer 7, the organization. (Whether it is or not. Is unknown.) IMO, (Just speculation on my part.) the government covered up the murders at union hotel, because Emir breached through America's security defenses. They covered up the murders by claiming that the Killer 7 were killed. Rather than what actually happened. (Emir killed the Union 7. Although this isn't shown in the game at all. However the Union 7 are Japanese so I pretty much ran myself into a wall. Uion 7 are former liberals.) I think I get that too. Didn't you say somewhere before that some of the people that Emir actually did gun down (in the flashbacks we saw) could have been Killer7, while some weren't (like Dan may have been, but others like Kaede weren't)? Or am I thinking of what someone else said? It's still speculation (like you said), either way, though, but I'm just trying to get clear. But to be honest, what I was asking in that part was that the personalities that Emir thinks he has as Garcian aren't actually the same ones that Harman actually does have/had, right (with I guess the exception of Garcian and maybe Dan, according to that one report)? Quote: This lie that the government created would allow the American government to take Emir in. (Who is an assassin employed by the Japanese government.) The government instills to him the belief that he is the Killer 7. More specifically Garcian Smith, Harman's most loyal persona. Which therefore would afford the American government to control Emir on a leash. Since Garcian seems to treat Harman Smith as if he were some kind of Shogun. (& Emir believes that he is Garcian.) With Emir as a marionette. All that needs to be done to control him is to direct him through his strings. (The strings= the idea or image of Harman Smith.) Once the image or idea of Harman Smith disappeared all of a sudden during Target Smile. Emir could no longer maintain the facade that he is the Killer 7, because there was no father figure (Harman Smith) to give him guidance. When both Samantha & Chris died. There was nobody left to keep Emir's secret away from him. Note: The government would've eventually replaced Samantha & Chris Mills. The problem is that Emir uncovered his secret before the government could act. The only reason why Emir uncovered his secret is because some guy who claimed to be Harman Smith directed him to the truth. And I've got most of that too (picked up from heavy lurking). Although two other things I do want to know what you're thinking here. First, are we supposed to see Mills as an actual "friend" to Garcian as well as manipulating him? He sounds like he sincerely cares for him in his remnant psyche speeches, but at the same time, as a person who spent years screwing with him for the country's sake, it's hard to see how honest he is. Second, like you've said, Harman has multiple bodies he appears in. Then there's the young Harman in the hotel, but it's not really clear at all whether he's actually Harman in another body or someone pretending to be Harman to lead Garcian to his "true identity". My question is: if that was Harman who ultimately got Emir to wake up, why? Wasn't the Harman we know supposed to be sort of a representation of order in government, or an agent of the USA? So why would he do the exact opposite of what his interests are supposed to be (unless he wasn't really loyal to the US)? Quote: The moon loading screens are a direct reference to Moonlight Syndrome. When I say that most of the excess information is irrelevant. What I mean is that they are irrelevant to Killer 7, but not to the overall setting of Suda 51's "Kill the Past" games as a whole. Most details of Killer 7 don't really matter. (Within the context of K7.) Only the political plot holds merit within the context of Killer 7. (The rest of the super natural stuff are actually just carry overs & themes from previous Suda 51 games.) Killer 7 actually concludes an open plot thread from Moonlight Syndrome involving a TV & a woman who was trapped inside it. So if I'm reading this right, what you've said is that the core of Killer7 is the whole political message about Japan's relations to the US and other Asian countries. The actual "physical plot" in the game, what we see happening, is all meant to sort of tie in thematically to the main Kill the Past series, but isn't meant to have significance to the actual world of Killer7. It makes me want to go and check out The Silver Case when it comes out on the DS over here (but to be honest, I've never even played Killer7 (can't find it), and NMH is the first Suda51 game I plan to get (unless a GCN Killer7 pops up in front of me).

Ah part-nah, I dig your questions. They force me to think. But to be honest, what I was asking in that part was that the personalities that Emir thinks he has as Garcian aren't actually the same ones that Harman actually does have/had, right (with I guess the exception of Garcian and maybe Dan, according to that one report)? I can't answer that clearly, because I wouldn't know. Dan & Garcian are the only two confirmed Personae though. I think for gaming purposes both Harman & Emir share the same personae, but than again when you think about it. The only other persona that Harman Smith actually acknowledges (in game) is Dan Smith. Yeah I was the one who said that not everybody who was killed that night are the actual Killer 7. That scene is actually a hybrid of two incidents within HIK 7. (The Smith murders at a French hotel, & the Union 7 murders at Union Hotel.) Originally, (HIK 7) Harman is supposed to absorb a new persona during the duration of the game play, but from my assumption due to several rewrites. (& modifications that Killer 7 the game had to go through.) The game was rewritten to explain that the Killer 7 were all killed by Emir during the Union Hotel murders. So even though I feel that not all of them are actually supposed to be the Killer 7. They are all presented to be as the Killer 7 in the game, due to time/budget constraints. Part of the reason why this game is so confusing to people is that they take every single thing they see & hear way too seriously. When you finally get the chance to play Killer 7. You will get the feeling that the game is incomplete, or severely cut & edited. Which it most certainly is. Judging by all the content of what was originally intended in HIK 7. (The original Killer 7 trailers actually feat. more relevant "Flower Sun & Rain" cameos such as Sundance Shot the former head of the FSO party in Silver Case. I'm a bit disappointed that he didn't make the final cut of Killer 7. Since he would've added greatly to the plot. Due to Killer 7's political nature.) First, are we supposed to see Mills as an actual "friend" to Garcian as well as manipulating him? He sounds like he sincerely cares for him in his remnant psyche speeches, but at the same time, as a person who spent years screwing with him for the country's sake, it's hard to see how honest he is. I think Mills is genuinely Emir's friend, but he also manipulates Emir, because that's his job. It's what he's paid to do. That's his role in the world. When Chris Mills doesn't perform his job at a satisfactory level. (He was about to reveal to Emir the secret about him & Harman Smith.) Mills is actually assassinated by a sniper before he can even tell Emir the truth. The woman who killed Mills actually becomes his replacement, & she became the new agent that Emir received contracts from. Second, like you've said, Harman has multiple bodies he appears in. Then there's the young Harman in the hotel, but it's not really clear at all whether he's actually Harman in another body or someone pretending to be Harman to lead Garcian to his "true identity". My question is: if that was Harman who ultimately got Emir to wake up, why? Wasn't the Harman we know supposed to be sort of a representation of order in government, or an agent of the USA? So why would he do the exact opposite of what his interests are supposed to be (unless he wasn't really loyal to the US)? That's actually a question that I ask myself all the time. If that actually is Harman, why is he disabling one of the U.S.'s top hitmen, & giving him back his identity? I don't have an answer for that. My only explanation is that in HIK 7. Harman & Kun are known to trade places from to time. In some preconceived conflict that H & K had in the past. (Before the game started) It was said that Harman killed Kun Lan & that Kun Lan actually represented the West whereas Harman represented the East. (Or the opposite side of the coin.) So IMO Harman & Kun Lan are only meant to represent opposing forces. Which side they're on doesn't really matter. I have no idea what to say about the Young Harman Smith. To me, he seems to be thrown into the game randomly, because GHM just needed to give him a part. In the original K7 story that was planned. You actually played as Harman when he was young, since the Harman in K7 (the game) is old & crippled. GHM didn't really have a part available for the Young Harman anymore. So My assumption is that they just threw in Y.Harman during the final scenario to make the game more confusing than it actually is. (In other words. I think Y. Harman is a macguffin. A plot device that has no meaning. He just pulls the story forward.) That's my opinion at least. The game doesn't give you enough info to conclude what the hell was going on with Y. Harman. So if I'm reading this right, what you've said is that the core of Killer7 is the whole political message about Japan's relations to the US and other Asian countries. The actual "physical plot" in the game, what we see happening, is all meant to sort of tie in thematically to the main Kill the Past series, but isn't meant to have significance to the actual world of Killer7. I'm not sure what you mean by the actual physical plot, because the political tension actually heats up & gets more uncontrollable as you progress through the game. It just so happens that it's hard for most gamers to see, because Killer 7 doesn't present it's version of politics the same exact way a news broadcast would. (Suda 51 uses double speak in his dialogue.) Most of the dialogue is actually referencing the final decision that Emir will have to make in the final mission of the game. For an example of how awkward the presented dialogue actually is check this post of mine about NMH. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=782&start=36" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=782&start=36 (Try not to read the spoilers though. Since I'm pretty careless with that. I'm of the assumption that you can never spoil a Suda game, because his plots usually don't make sense until the second time you play it.) I will point out that most of this god talk & all this other spiritual bs that most Killer 7 fans constantly bicker about are actually just thematic carry overs from Suda 51's older games. They could mean something in a future title or they may not. It actually took Moonlight Syndrome 8 years for it's own ending to finally resolve with the release of the game Killer 7. (Why is that girl -Who died early on in Moonlight Syndrome- stuck inside that tv? In Killer 7 we see Emir/Garcian transforming into the souls of dead people. Using a tv as his medium.) Moonlight Syndrome also concluded more loose threads during the intro mission & the 3rd or 4rth mission of the Silver Case. Although characters such as Harman & Kun Lan are actually just common traditions within Suda's kill the past games. I've heard from this site http://www28.atwiki.jp/2ch_killer7/ that some people think that Harman is supposed to be a reference to the Silver eye phenomenon. (Don't ask I to explain it. I don't have a clear idea what it is. I'm waiting for an English translation of SC/FSR as much as everyone else.) Others assume that Kun Lan is a reference to the Toriko Kusabi or Kamui like characters & such. While others have speculated that Killer 7 is not related with the other games at all. (Although I think at least one of the characters from K7 is related to the Kill the Past mythos. After hearing about the events in NMH.) Basically even with all the Suda games in their region. People in Japan still constantly argue about what's really happening in Suda's game, because that's just the nature of the type of material that he writes. Kinda like how people still speculate about Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, Muholland Drive & the like. What annoys I about most K7 inquiries I see around the net. (Not referring to anybody in this thread. I like your questions. They could be implemented into a faq.) Is that most people seem to expect some kind of linear story to unfold with K7. When K7 is not that type of game at all. K7 has more in common with post modern films such as Pulp Fiction with it's own narrative. So what that means is that you can never have ALL the answers, but you can attain enough to make some sense of the plot. It makes me want to go and check out The Silver Case when it comes out on the DS over here (but to be honest, I've never even played Killer7 (can't find it), and NMH is the first Suda51 game I plan to get (unless a GCN Killer7 pops up in front of me). Wow, that's crazy. Well I've only played through Killer 7 in it's entirety once or twice. (Ironically, I can't stand that game, lol.) I loved the dialogue though. (Obviously.) BTW The Silver Case port is actually two games in one. (It comes with both Silver Case & the sequel that just came out last year "Silver Case 25 Ward") You should also try out Flower, Sun & Rain" when it comes to the DS. (IMO, FSR is Suda's most artistic game.)

That's actually a question that I ask myself all the time. If that actually is Harman, why is he disabling one of the U.S.'s top hitmen, & giving him back his identity? I don't have an answer for that. The way I see it, the top floor of Hotel Union is the element that's disabling Garcian's identity. Hotel Union is the starting point of Emir and Harman's relationship, so Emir encountered a part of himself that was left in that place years ago; the old Smith syndicate. Emir just left part of his past in that Hotel, and got it back when he returned. Which in turn is part of the plan. The Killer7 is supposed to be dissolved to fulfill its own role. When Harman says that he "handed Matsuken over", he may be talking about something that happened long ago. This is what I think that connects to HIK7 - The Asian Security Treaty - in 1975, Toru Fukushima (at the time a puppet of the US Government, but also with his own agenda - which was ultimately Japan's total independence from the USA and the ratification of the US/Japan Security Treaty) hired Harman to do a statistical investigation about how the participant countries would vote, and hand the results only to him. In my version of the story (which is heavily based on HIK7) Emir was working with Harman at the time, and the part of the report that concerned the EAST was stolen by Emir and handed over to someone other than Toru Fukushima. Toru Fukushima then was handed the votes of everyone except the EAST. Toru Fukushima was unable to predict the EAST part of the deal. Harman Smith was considered a liability because of this, and the US Government had him killed. The only one who could approach him was Emir, Harman's most trusted assassin. So Emir did the job, although he could never recover the EAST report. Emir became seriously fucked up in the head for what he just did, because Emir was the one who stole and falsified the report, and Harman gor killed because of it. Emir became so seriously mental that he actually pretended that Harman Smith was still alive when remnant spirits such as Iwazaru started to appear to him claiming that "Master Harman" was alive. Emir believed it. Iwazaru - remnant psyche that is originally Kun Lan's influence, but distorted through Harman's influence. Harman is a ward that is making sure that Kun Lan stays senile in his own cell. Kun Lan has his right hand cut off and is heavily drugged. "Master, you carry a big weight. A weight to heavy to carry. I talk of experience. I carried two 20kg sacks of potatoes once Two sacks on my back I had carry them 2 stories on foot I gave up before I got to the 2nd It was too heavy I just dropped them out the window I hit an old couple down below The had serious injuries I think they died I mourn them to this day Just as you mourn the Master" Travis: "Drop the sacks you pussy" This is actually a product a little mental problem Emir has - disassociative identity disorder. Emir ran away and rented a trailer house somewhere in the US. He actually killed the owner when he asked 200 bucks a month. The people living around the old geezer applauded when someone actually had the stones to murder the bastard. Emir started to find moral justifications for casual murders. Meanwhile, Kun Lan, having won his chess game against Harman (Kun Lan was the force at work when the Eastern report was snatched), demanded that Harman handed him over control of the black market organ trade which may potentially be controlled by Curtis Blackburn. So the first step isto make sure that Curtis gets control of the entire west coast territory. Harman sent Dan Smith for this. But Harman had his own plan to get the upper hand on Kun Lan. Harman had Mills also work within the ranks of Curtis in other to rat Dan out as a traitor, and getting him killed. This is advantageous for Harman because this is the first step into getting full control of Emir. Harman calls Emir "Garcian Smith" and Garcian works as a cleaner (Kess Bloodysunday was the former cleaner, but Harman got tired of having an outsourced cleaning business because of the sensitivity of the murders involved. and took control of the business himself. Kess, his parents and his girlfriend, Susie Summers, were murdered by Emir). Emir is like Nishizono Shinji of MPD Psycho - a crazy psychopathic murderer who takes a special gusto in the act of murder. He enjoyed killing Kess' parents and girlfriend a great deal. Eventually, Dan was killed by Curtis. Harman is slowly shoving more and more people into Emir's mind until Emir never resurfaces again. Then Dan was integrated into the new Smith Syndicate - composed of Garcian Smith (Emir's alter ego), Harman Smith (the new Harman, controlling the Syndicate) and Dan Smith (the gunman). Mills became the contact between the US and the Smith Syndicate. Iwazaru claimed that his retainers, were imprisoned in the Lospass Hotel by men and women with the surname Smith. Kaede (who is having an affair with the woman that would be "Mizaru" in Emir's mind), Coyote (he's just some random fuck who was also sleeping with Kaede), and Mask de Smith (who's actually a Pro Wrestling celebrity that was just there to chill out. Nor relation to anybody above. He's actually named Smith, but that's a coincidence). Kevin was a bellhop working at the reception, no one noticed him. Con was a blind kid that was ran over by Emir's car just outside the Hotel, because he didn't hear the fast car approaching in time. By the time "Con" tried to move out of the car's way, it was just a couple meters from him. No one's that fast. Part of Con's brains and ears are still dried out and stuck inside the front axle differential of Emir's 1964 Ford Mustang. Emir was handed pictures of them. The names are all false, only the pictures are real. By freeing Iwazaru's retainers, Iwazaru would better serve his master, Harman. This is when Old Harman, the one who plays chess with Kun Lan for ages, and also the hero of the west, took the chance to let Emir bury his own persona under all the others, by having Garcian clean and ressurrect the "compatible" bodies. When Emir finished the job, he was shot in the head by Vermillion 01. Vermillion did it so he would just become incapacitated instead of killed. Dan Smith, after being ressurrected, decided to kill Harman for the double-cross, and shot him, wounding him mortally. Harman became paralyzed and bound to a wheelchair for 10 years. Emir here is more important that you may think, he represents Harman's king piece (the Ace) and is also representative of the truth inside the game. It's just that he gets continually handed back and forth to either Kun Lan or Harman Smith. In the game's timeframe Emir is in the hands of Harman Smith. The above is pieced together from data contained in the Hand in Killer7 book. There's a lot of missing content, but I'll stop right here otherwise I'd have to write 50 pages of this crap. Anyway, I think there might have been a close relationship between Matsuken and Harman Smith long ago. This Toru Fukushima/ Harman Smith bit from Hand in Killer7 is a possible hint to this. I also think that the Asian Security Treaty affair was replaced by the Coburn Elementary School affair in the final product. I'll complete this later - gotta bail out now...