Twilight Syndrome
I'm searching information about this series. Gamefags says that there are 4 games in the series Twilight Syndrome Omen: Tansakuhen (03/01/96) Twilight Syndrome: Kyuumeihen (07/19/96) Twilight Syndrome Special (07/02/98 ) and Twilight Syndrome Saikai (07/27/00) I know that suda directed Twilight Syndrome Search and Twilight Syndrome Investigation, buy i don't know what of these four are Search and Investigation. In plus, Drunkee once said that Suda co-writed another episode of the series. And I also know that years later some random ass guy created a twilight syndrome that putted out of continuity moonlight syndrome. I want to know: What episodes involved Suda51 What episodes are in continuity with moonlight syndrome Where I can fuckin' buy them (I guess that noone knows, but I try anyway)

Twilight Syndrome Omen: Tansakuhen (03/01/96) Twilight Syndrome: Kyuumeihen (07/19/96) Those two are the Suda games. Mika is the girl with the yellow backpack. This page has the covers for the two games that starred Yukari Hasegawa. http://clambake.jp/absolute/reviews/twilight_syndrome/ Yukari is a supporting character in Moonlight Syndrome. Mika was a supporting character in Twilight syndrome. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/moonsin2.htm Drunkee once said that Suda co-writed another episode of the series. Suda was part of the writing team. So he co wrote most of the Twilight games that came before Moonlight Syndrome. (Moonlight Syndrome was his last game before he left & formed GHM with one or two other people.) And I also know that years later some random ass guy created a twilight syndrome that putted out of continuity moonlight syndrome. Moonlight Syndrome is largely regarded as an alternate reality. So it doesn't really count as part of the Twilight Syndrome saga. I highly doubt that it was just some random guy who made the later twilight games. The later Twilight games were made with the same exact team, minus Suda 51 & the two or three other people he may have took with him. Twilight Syndrome was a popular franchise so it was an entity that lived entirely on it's own until Human closed up shop & became Spike. IMO, The later games were made in order to erase the damage that Suda made to the Twilight Syndrome fanbase after he alienated them with Moonlight Syndrome. (He killed off the entire cast, except Yayoi. Ryo & Rumi later die in Silver Case.) Most people usually consider Moonlight Syndrome as part of Silver Case's continuity. Moonlight Syndrome story wiki That's where the Sumio timeline comes from. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/hotelfsr/hotelfsrsumio.html Sumio official chronology Chronology Section establishment of 1990.11 Heinous crimes Department 1991.02 Kusabi (Tsuguro) and Ishikawa CASE: "Run off" 1992.11 Kusabi and Morikawa CASE: of "Royal nine". Kobayakawa and Ishikawa die in the line of duty 1994.04 Sumio 1st assignment CASE: "Power Girl" 1996.12 Kusabi and Morikawa CASE "Steel town" Together they try to dispose the place. 1997.10 Nakatagawa CASE: "Moon" 1998.07 Kusabi and Sumio CASE: "Gas Kids" 1999.01 "Pre-Lunatics"('Moonlight syndrome') 1999.01 "Lunatics"('Silver event') ~ PRELUDE Note:Lunatics concludes Ryo & Rumi's story from Moonlight Syndrome. 1999.03 "Decoy man"('Silver event') ~ CASE#1 1999.05 " Sumio and Hachizuka CASE: "After Camui" 1999.06 "Spectrum"('Silver event') ~ CASE#2 1999.07 "Parade"('Silver event')~ CASE#3 - Topdrunkee's note: It's around this time that Sumio Kills the Past. He is relieved of his duty after purposely failing the case#3 Parade. Parade ties in with the Moonlight Syndrome. 1999.08 "Kamuidrome"('Silver event') ~CASE#4 1999 " Sakura CASE: "Face" 1999.11 "Life cut"('Silver event') ~CASE#5 2000.01 Sakura CASE: Year 2000 compliance. 2000~ Kusabi, Kyouska, and Sakura CASE: "Lovers" The exact time for the following cases are unspecified. ******* "Mulholland"('Flower, sun, and rain') ******* Kuusabi and Sumio CASE: "Hyena Shot" ******* "Life and money" Sumio and Koshimizu CASE: "Life and money" ******* Kusabi, Sakura, Sumio, Kyouska, and Koshimizu CASE: "Animal hunting" ******* Kusabi, Sumio, Kyouska, and Sakura CASE: Door lock" ******* Sumio CASE: "Angel X" ******* Sakura CASE: "Triple kiss" ******* Sakata, Kusabi, Sakura, Sumio, Kyouska, and Koshimizu CASE: "Cutting doctor" ******* Kusabi case: "Call" 2001.12.24 Mondo reappears as a "Searcher". TIMELINE END XXXXXXXX NOTE: It has been confirmed by Suda 51 during a Gpara questionare back in 2001 that Yayoi Itsushima from Moonlight SYndrome, & Yayoi Hanayama are indeed the same person. 20XX: Sumio's current appearance after he left Lospass island, as shown during 2005's official sequel to the Silver Case. "Silver Case 25 ward" What episodes are in continuity with moonlight syndrome. Moonlight Syndrome & Twilight Syndrome are one in the same. Except MS eschews the ghost theme & takes a psycho horror twist. Any game that has the trio, Yukari, Chisato, & Mika can be considered as related to Moonlight Syndrome. I don't know for sure since I never played them. Moonlight Syndrome takes place in an entirely different prefecture alien from the original Twilight Syndrome games. If I were to come up with a timeline it would be Tansakuhen & Kyuumeihen: Both take place in the same year. Moonlight SYndrome: happens a year later. The trio die. Silver Case: Silver Case is said to occur a year later, but I think it happens in the same month as Moonlight Syndrome. Flower Sun & Rain: Yayoi appears in FSR. Killer 7: Mithra appears in Killer 7. Where I can fuckin' buy them Japan. There's noway to get them unless you know someone from Japan who can pick the game up for you. Your best bet is to special order the game from one of the import online stores. (Don't bother with the bigger sites like Playasia & NCSX. They won't even try.)

Thank you for answering. Luckly, I discovered that a friend of mine knows a girl in japan, so I have some chances of get them (with SC and FSR possibly. I only miss this 4 games. I also have Michigan. Poor me.) So the timeline woul be something like this: Twilight Syndrome: Tansakuhen Twilight Syndrome: Kyuumeihen Moonlight Syndrome Silver Case Flower Sun and Rain Silver Case: 25 Ward Michigan and NMH can exsist in this timeline but is yet to be confirmed. Super Fire Pro Special as said by Suda is not a part of the ghm universe. And Killer7 is an alternate reality with a lot of references.

So the timeline woul be something like this: Twilight Syndrome: Tansakuhen Twilight Syndrome: Kyuumeihen Moonlight Syndrome Silver Case Flower Sun and Rain Silver Case: 25 Ward That's the way I see it. I'm not sure if Twilight Syndrome should be considered as part of the Suda Moonlight Syndrome/Kill the past games though. I've never played those games, but I see them more as games that exist solely for the Twilight Syndrome franchise. Moonlight Syndrome is considered an alternate reality for a reason. The game takes place in an entirely different prefecture (City). Using the same exact trio from the former two Suda TS games. I'd view the two Suda TS games as more of a source of background information for the Yukari, Chisato, Mika trio. Moonlight Syndrome assumes that you're already familiar with those three so MS doesn't bother to elaborate on their personalities & background story. However Moonlight Syndrome & Twilight Syndrome can't coexist with each other, because the Yukari trio from Suda's games were more like some rag tag scooby doo crew. Trying to solve mysteries about ghosts. Moonlight SYndrome assumes that the three are just normal girls. Except Chisato, who still retains her supernatural abilities. Her ghost form comes directly from the second Suda produced TS game. (It's probably the 3rd or 4rth game in the Twilight Syndrom franchise.) Which can be seen in this TS trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opr1fxMUohs Note: you can clearly see Mika in that trailer. She's the girl with yellow backpack. Yukari, the main character is the tall one. Although she's only looks tall, because her friends are midgets. Yukari is only 5'6. Chisato is the black haired girl. She's also Yayoi's older sister. Yayoi is in FSR & MS. & this pic from MS. Basically it's the same exact scenario that we have with Emir Parkreiner. He's from Killer 7, but he still appears in other games. The other Kill the past games pretend that the Killer 7 setting doesn't exist, but you're still required to know about Emir's background. Moonlight Syndrome takes the trio from the suda produced TS games, and acts as if they've all been living ordinary lives in a completely different city before MS began. The only things that actually carry over from Twilight Syndrome is Araki the creepy save point journalist guy (Araki records the phenomenon of the Twilight Syndrome), & the background bios about each of the returning characters. Moonlight Syndrome is usually considered part of the Silver Case setting, so in effect that would make MS separate from the rest of the Twilight Syndrome games. Twilight Syndrome has more in common with Fatal Frame. Silver Case is more similar to Killer 7 & Deus Ex with a bit of a psycho horror twist. Moonlight Syndrome is the lead in to Silver Case. Michigan and NMH can exsist in this timeline but is yet to be confirmed. Super Fire Pro Special as said by Suda is not a part of the ghm universe. And Killer7 is an alternate reality with a lot of references. Is Zaka Tv referenced in NMH? If Michigan does follow a timeline, I think it would go under Killer 7. Since both games take place in the U.S. NMH takes place in the U.S. as well, but NMH uses a fictional made up city with a crazy ass name "Santa Destroy" Which pretty much follows the same naming scheme as the locations for Silver Case. Gradius, Mulholland, "Flower, Sun, & Rain", Cauliflower, Gas Kids, & My personal favorite "KAMAKAZE PARK" LOL! So in a sense I'm pretty sure that NMH is supposed to be set in Silver Case's setting, but who's to say for sure. I highly doubt that NMH follows Killer 7's timeline. A game that used actual states. (I won't be too surprised if K7's setting is never used again. it was just a rip off of SC's setting, but without the actual history that Silver Case's timeline imposed.) Even Moonlight Syndrome had some pretty crazy names. Lost Highway, Hinashiro high. I forget what it means in English. I just remember that it was something retarded. (Like Gas Kids or Santa Destory.)

Whatever, it's impossible that michigan follows the k7 timeline. There are airplanes. Suda once said that everyone of his games is set in the same universe, I think that K7 is the exeption (with all the licensed gams and all the games made before MS) just because capcom changed the plot to transform it in a stand alone game, Do you have a link for that? It would be nice to finally have a Suda reference that's actually in English where he talks about his game setting. All the references I use are in Japanese. It's a shame that K7's plot was distorted so much. You know how cool it would've been had Killer 7 been actual canon of the Silver Case/Moonlight Syndrome universe? It shows that the United States is just as fucked up as the depiction of Japan in the SC games. Not only that it introduces Harman, Kun Lan, & Emir. Emir is like an American Sumio. (Although Sumio looks more like a playboy version of Dan Smith.) Harman & Kun Lan are just ambiguous. Which puts them in the same league as Yayoi, Mithra, Kamui, Sundance, Mulholland Mother, and the like. Michigan definitely sounds like it could blend in with the SC setting when you take into account the way that Michigan was marketed in Japan. It looked like a series of broadcasts from a Silver Case scenario. (The original Silver Case used real actors during the news broadcasts.)

I really can't remember where I read it but I am pretty sure he said that. However, if we look at suda's games Super Fire Pro Wrestling III Final Bout (designer/scenario writer) Super Fire Pro Wrestling Special (designer/scenario writer) Twilight Syndrome: Search (designer) Twilight Syndrome: Investigation (designer) Moonlight Syndrome (designer) The Silver Case (producer/designer) Flower, Sun and Rain (producer/designer) Shining Soul II(scenario writer/project manager) Michigan(project manager/editor) Killer7 (producer/designer/scenario writer) The Silver Case: 25 Ward (producer/designer) Samurai Champloo (designer) Contact (producer) Blood+ One Night Kiss (designer) No More Heroes (producer/designer/scenario writer) MS, SC, FSR, SC25ward, Michigan and NMH take place in the same world. Killer7 was suppose to be in the same world too but thanks to capcom we have a stand alone game. Damn you, Shinji Mikami! Ok, I forgive him just because he made God Hand. The two fire pro, the two twilight syndrome, shining soul II, Samurai Champloo, Blood+ and contact are not in the canon, just because he was not the main guy behind this games. In the two fire pro and in the two TS he was just an assistant, Shining Soul II is part of another series, Samurai Champloo and Blood+ are licensed games and in Contact he is just the producer. So I assume that if a game don't contradicts the SC/FSR settings, is automatically canon. (I don't know what to think about Kurayami. I think that it will not be in canon because is inspired by a book. I'm not really inspired by this game, it's so damn pretentious. I don't think that GHM has enough founds and ability to do a game like that.)

lol! I ordered a used version of omen tansaku-hen a couple of days ago, now I can download also kyuumei-hen! Thank you drunkee!

Xed, do you know how to fucking save in this shit? I have to rely on save states. Tansakuhen is definitely the easier of the two. I got up to the second stage without getting a game over. It turns out that the ghost in this pic. Is actually the ghost of a girl who lives inside the girls bathroom at Hinashiro high. (You need to do some bloody mary like ritual at least two times.) She popped out of nowhere behind Yukari after she took a crap in one of those shitty ass japanese toilets. (I completely forgot that women over there have to squat down over their toilets just to take a leak.) It's weird playing through the same school that I originally played in Moonlight Syndrome, because I already know that those three girls are going to be brutally murdered to pieces in 1999. (The plot for the Yukari/Mika/Chisato games began at 1996/1997.) The second stage in tansaku takes place inside in an urban park. (You can even see couples making out.) I quit playing shortly after to try out the other game Kyuumeihen. Fuck the first level for kyuumei was long. I didn't even beat it, because I died when I got up to the part with a river full of blood & dolls. First off you start out in a library of Hinashiro high trying to read up on books about the occult I guess. (All I know is that it was too long. It felt as if I was the one reading the book.) Shit, not only do you have to navigate through a big confusing ass forest, but I also wasted my time navigating this big abandoned shrine only to realize that there was a lone monk inside who happened to be playing the background music, lol. If there's one thing I like better about Twilight Syndrome is that these games are huge. There's also multiple paths that you can take. I've always heard that was one of the main complaints about Moonlight Syndrome. MS was linear, and there was no way to branch off the main plot at all. I don't mind much though, because I prefer Suda 51's style of story telling anyway. Moonlight Syndrome had a crazy psycho horror plot, and an interesting cast. (Mithra, Sumio, Rumi, Ryo & Yayoi sure breath a lot of life to the TS plot.) TS doesn't have that Suda 51 feel. (Although he actually wrote this game.) Everything pretty much feels like a standard Japanese adventure/detective game. (In other words no crazy ass sound sfx.) The music on the other hand is still good. It doesn't sound like it was composed by Masafumi Takada, but it's still some kickass music nonetheless. I'll add some mp3s later. The ost is mostly typical industrial noise. The songs that really stand out to me are the shamisen songs, trip hop/hip hop beats, and some of the creepy jpop music that they use. This youtube vid has some of the songs for Kyuumei. http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=11_OxDcE9T8 There's a remix of the main TS theme in Moonlight Syndrome. What I don't like about Twilight Syndrome is that it's basically typical Japanese horror. You know the creepy ghosts jumping out of tvs & shit. I hate that crap, but I wish we would get some games like TS shipped over to the west sometime. I'm sick & tired of that space marine crap that's always crammed down our throats. I'm thinking about adding the lore from both of these games to the main K7 site, because they really do give you more background info about Yukari,Chi, & Mika. I now understand why TS fans were so polarized when Suda 51 made Moonlight Syndrome. He didn't just kill off the cast from the TS games that he worked on. He even brought back the heroine from the original game, and killed her off during the school girl serial murders of the 2nd disc. I need to add some of the lore from the TS games, mainly because the "Moon" murders are directly referenced in the Silver Case. 1997.10 Nakatagawa CASE: "Moon" forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1190&start=0" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1190&start=0 Nakatagawa, who is one of your colleagues from Silver Case has been investigating the "moon" case since 1997. This is Nakatagawa. http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/f_naka.gif Apparently Yukari, Mika and crew were the main characters for most of the Twilight Syndrome games. http://twilight.nm.land.to/ This is prolly the main reason why even Kojima credits Suda with the Twilight Syndrome games. (Suda worked, and created the lore for most of them.) The disc that came after Moonlight Syndrome wasn't even a game. I'm not sure what it is, but what I do know is that it uses real life actors. Here's Mika Kishi. http://twilight.nm.land.to/memorize/mika.avi Heh, I prefer her big titty White girl look in Moonlight Syndrome. I'd like to complete these games at least once so I can better assess these games, but I'm busy on that school shit, and I'm trying to finish up the first two levels for my Daydream cafe demo. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1199" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1199 BTW here's a link to the new Twilight Syndrome DS game http://www.romsite.net/show/72373/2509-Twilight-Syndrome-Kinjirareta-Toshi-Densetsu-(JP)/ As you can see they really do pretend that Moonlight Syndrome never existed. (Whereas Suda's games base their continuity off of the events from Moonlight Syndrome.) The DS game seem to start a completely new story, with an all new cast. It seems big budget for a DS game imo. It may have seemed like I didn't like TS much, but these games are pretty kick ass. I just don't like them as much as Suda 51's adv games. Suda games have more intriguing plots. Twilight Syndrome games seem to have much better gameplay. I mean damn, the first level of Kyuumei seems to be larger than half of the first disc in Moonlight Syndrome. ___________________________ Here's a video walk through of Twilight Syndrome : Kinjiratera Toshi Densetsu (JPN) NDS http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=6UyJ_cnQX84 Notice how in this video you can even see the tv static effect from Killer 7. http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjbTxdZL74 I think Suda 51 originally got it from Twilight Syndrome, because he also used it in Moonlight Syndrome. (Which most of us around here know is where the tv spiritual medium originated from.) I just might come back to youtube to host some Twilight Syndrome/Moonlight vids again. (I hate youtube, but it's also the video stream site that nets the most traffic.)

Nah I don't know how to save, sorry, I'm still waiting for the game to ship. But, ehi, I bought a new scanner a couple of days ago, I'll scan the manual so you can figure it out I guess. BTW, now that you've played them, are TS tansaku&kyuumei canon with moonlight syndrome or not? I mean, was MS really intended to be an alternate reality, or they putted it out of canon later to please the fans? (I was originally under the impression that MS was the official ending of the franchise, but years later some random homless drunken guy made another game about TS putting MS out of canon, but I later realized that most of the original team worked on every game of the series)

I just casually discovered that even in the japanese wiki article of twilight syndrome, is stated that moonlight syndrome is a sequel to tansaku-hen / kyuumei-hen. So those two games are part of the silver case canon after all. (I randomly saw this page while I was searching where to buy kyuumei-hen, it's the only suda game I don't own) here's the page that's the statement # ムーンライトシンドローム - 『探索編』／『究明編』の登場人物と舞台を引き継いだ外伝作品。

Even Suda 51 has claimed that Moonlight Syndrome is supposed to be direct sequel, but even so I still don't believe that the two Twilight Syndrome games have any bearing on the Silver Case timeline at all. Any thing that could be considered TS related would most likely be included within MS, and referenced in SC/FSR as the "Moon" case/murders. Silver Case & FSR never reference or include material from the TS games. The farthest back that they go to is Moonlight Syndrome. (Yayoi, Ryo, Sumio's sister, the tv medium, Mithra, etc.) The TS games are drastically different in style & atmosphere to be considered as part of the same canon. TS focuses more on the occult & supernatural. (Plus TS feels more like stereotypical Japanese horror.) MS/SC focuses more on psychological horror & gods. IMO the TS games (The ones that include Mika Kishi, Chisato & co.) should only be looked at as reference material that provides background information for the cast of MS when used within the context of Suda 51's Silver Case/FSR. TS is its own series. Separate from Silver Case/FSR. Moonlight Syndrome being the starting point of the SC timeline. It's actually the background information of SC that precedes most of the events of the timeline, but MS is the first game in the canon. MS began & ended two weeks before the Lunatics murders start in SIlver Case. The lunatics chap in SIlver Case is actually a continuation of the epilogue from Moonlogiht Syndrome.