Why three Harmans?
Please dont expect any fundamentally new, groundbreaking theories, which change everything you have thought about the games plot. Its merely a try to continue some ideas that you guys already brought up. So as far as I understand, the whole concept of this site is to make a "rational" analysis of K7s story whereas most other interpretations are full of gods, reincarnations, magical rituals etc. On the other hand, this site is trying to get rid of all these things. You make a really good job.... until it gets to Harman and his abilities, since this is the point where you guys mostly agree with the mainstream K7-followership: Harman ( and Kun Lan ) is a divine being, who possesses 3 or more bodies and gives Emir the power to physically morph into the other Smiths. Ok, that has not to be wrong. But imo it could well be that there is exactly one Harman Smith, the younger one. And whats with Master Harman leading the K7? Its the same thing which makes Curtis speaking to Dan and not to some Black dude - Whenever Garcian/Emir sees y. H. sitting in the Trailer, he sees a fragile old man being molested by some college slut, because the brainwash, human contact ( Mills, Samantha) and the media command him to do so. Here is much talk about how propaganda and manipulation is a theme in the game. If you ask me, it could be the key to all/most paranormal happenings we see. IN K7, the whole of mankind is under one large mass-hypnosys. Jean sees a famous wrestler instead of an african assassin because the omnipresent media, he is confronted with, command his eyes and brain to see what he has to. The same goes for Curtis. That is what this whole TV in Harmans room could be about. It is the TV of TVs, whenever you change the persona with it, you brainwash the whole of mankind to see the chosen character, instead of Garcian. The cameras change your character, because the changes you make in the pause-screen are not cannon to the plot, they are a gameplay element. Thats why internet is banned: Internet theoretically allowes people to search for their own information and content. But since there is only TV, Radio and print media in K7, it is easier for the powerfull to centralize information, since the only choice the user has with those, is to watch it or not. The worldwide "peace" is only a conspiracy of the mighty to gain more power and personal benefit of their people. They now simply work together in building a monopol on information. The "peace" is no good will of the governments. War has merely become obsolete. ( I havent got my copy of the game anymore so read the following with caution.) When I remember correctly, in Cloudman, there were no camera-scenes, before you got into some cartoon cinematic. These scenes were in first person and the only time one of Ulmeydas people refered to the persona you were playing was "we dont have many black folks around here". That might be because their cult has created a reality isolated from the rest of the world. They are not hypnotized by the world wide media. They see garcian as who he is. And so the White House wants to get rid of them. And considering God Harman: He is just a picture in Emirs sick, brainwashed mind. The chess scenes are simply dreams with Emirs two different roots ( East + West ) fighting each other. Every time Harman beats Kun Lan, the arrival of Garcians awakining has been slowed down. ............................ I dont know if the above is, what Suda intended to express or if im seeing more, than there is. I dont know his earlier works, so i cant say how much "magic" he would use for his plots. Maybe all of this has already been written down here and i didnt read it, or I missunderstood your concept of 3 Harmans, but I think this would be a good, first post, since it is practically the only thing you folks let me curious with the K7-story. cya.

Wow, I haven't thought about that point you made about internet in the game. Thats really interesting... Yeah you make some interesting points here, I'm curious to see whats going to be posted next. And, I think you are a newcomer, Welcome to the board!

thx, im glad that i got really some responses :D Im curious if topdrunkee replies and what he would say. But nevertheless: Merry Secularistmas and a happy new year :wink:

Now that's a fresh perspective. I haven't thought of that either, but every individual you meet addresses you as mr.Smith even if you use KAEDE (the security man). And also Ulmeyda - he instanty recognizes you. Must be because he knows a facade when he sees one - he's the facade master courtesy of the know-how book, the Yakumo. An isolated, free of mass-media society (at least the government mass-media - Ulmeyda creates his own), therefore a danger to the world. Good one. I agree with that assertion.

I seriously wanted refrain from posting or working on this site until next year, because I always end up having to take 5 hours just to post, but I have to answer this to deliver my pov. Note: This post that I just wrote is pretty hard to read. It's mainly because I was sleepy as hell when I wrote this. Check this page that's still under construction to get a broader view of the types of characters in the kill the past universe. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/psycho.htm Short answer: I love your theory & it's going to be placed into the main body of the (political) K7 SIN content. When I get around to redesigning the site. However your explanation only works when you look at Killer 7 as separate from the Kill the Past series. ------- Believe me, I actually had a similar (non spiritual - all conspiratory) view of K7 that you had. What you wrote sounds exactly like something I would've said back in 2005. (Except you went into more detail.) When I started this site I also rationalized Harman as just being Y. Harm. (Or at the least, him being the only guy who's actually named Harman Smith.) Seriously though, there's no way that you could rationally explain every single detail of Suda's games after seeing what the other games in his series are like. Silver Case & Flower Sun & Rain have an obvious influence of the spiritual embed into the backbone of their plots, but unlike most of these wacky ass Killer 7 theories that I see. SC & FSR does it in a somewhat believable matter. (It all coincides with actual meditation techniques.) What you seem to forget or ignore, is the surreal nature of Killer 7 & most of Suda 51's plots. Gods actually do & can exist in Suda 51's worlds, in pretty much the same matter that a god would function or operate in a David Lynch film. Their worlds function more as surreality rather than reality. In this little work in progress that I have going on. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/psycho.htm There are at least 6 different individuals who classified as celestial, what that means is that they actually ideas represented in human form. (Like a humanoid metaphor.) Killer 7 takes a lot of cues from Silver Case. (In fact, Killer 7 actually burrows many ideas from Moonlight Syndrome & Silver Case.) Silver Case actually does have forms of spirituality, but they are Eastern in origin. (The Western interpretations of the word God are virtually meaningless in the world of K7, imo.) I'm not sure where exactly the belief originates from, but Suda's games seem to be based off of Tibetan spirituality. (Or Indian sense of law "Dharma" Most Asian religions originated from India.) It's officially established (HIK7) that Kun Lan is god, but I don't believe that he was ever meant to represent GOD as recorded in Western doctrine. Like I said earlier Kun Lan is more of a physical manifestation of the mind. A voice from inside your head. The more correct term would be "Tulpa" The belief of the manifestation of Tulpas are Tibetan in origin, and Kun Lan himself is of Tibetan extraction. Which further perpetuates my belief that Kun Lan is a manifestation from our sub consciousness. When you take into account that there was a girl in FSR named Toriko Kusabi. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=674" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=674 It further validates the spiritual connection between the Kill the Past games. (There's only one Toriko Kusabi, but there's is also a consciousness that materializes in the form of Toriko Kusabi.) All I'm saying is imagine what you would look like without a body. Imagine what a soul might look like. In order to focus an idea, we tend to project our senses of familiarity to the idea. Which than gives it shape & expression. The power to influence. Most of all, Suda's game all share the Tibetan concept of "Death is the beginning of life." http://books.google.com/books?id=GyUCDUb9vXkC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=death+is+the+beginning+of+life+tibet&source=web&ots=CYJxMFigkK&sig=Rm9o5TKo-D6UeFmF69PZwsSOYTc http://rense.com/general77/nor.htm What that means is that the life we live is actually hell. (The trials & tribulations stage.) Our true life begins after we die. If you noticed most Killer 7 characters actually felt more alive after death. So as far as I understand, the whole concept of this site is to make a "rational" analysis of K7s story whereas most other interpretations are full of gods, reincarnations, magical rituals etc. On the other hand, this site is trying to get rid of all these things. You make a really good job.... until it gets to Harman and his abilities, since this is the point where you guys mostly agree with the mainstream K7-followership: Harman ( and Kun Lan ) is a divine being, who possesses 3 or more bodies and gives Emir the power to physically morph into the other Smiths. Ok, that has not to be wrong. How is it wrong? Harman's abilities are actually canon. If you can explain why characters such as Ryo & his sister Kyoko Kazan. Can die in a game http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/moonlight.html yet come back in a later game. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/silver/silvercast.htm Only to die again. http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/Silverlunatics02.wmv Without any mentions of the spiritual I'd' like to hear it. Before I go on, I'd like to mention several incidents from Suda's games. That I feel are most definitely supernatural... There's the whole thing with FSR where we actually see Sumio die by getting shot in the head. Yet in the ending we see many Sumio's who all represented aspects of..... man I forget. I think it was his past lives or something like that. (In the Silver Case novel. A character name Sakura Natsume actually mentioned the Sumio felt like a completely different person when she interrogated him.) Or Ed Macalister in Killer 7 disappearing out of thin air, who for some reason or another speaks to Garcian (A Black man.) as if he were Sumio (A Japanese guy.) That very scene with Ed at the Union Hotel is also a reference to the final plot twist in FSR that reveals that Peter Bochwinkur (A fat White man) was actually Tetsugoro Kusabi (A Japanese guy.), but for some reason Sumio always saw Tetsu as Peter until they both left Lospass resort by riding the FSR plane. (Sumio & Tetsu were the only passengers in the plane.) For real though. There are only two ways to explain it. One it's a dream, two it's supernatural, or 3 a by product of a victim or killers deteriorating mental state. I believe that the events in Suda's games are a mixture of all three. Sumio Mondo can only see (the celestial) Toriko Kusabi in his dreams. Yet people like Sundance interact with the celestial Toriko Kusabi all the time. Sumio Kodai can interact with Toriko in Silver Case 25 Ward, because the Toriko Kusabi in 25 Ward actually is Toriko. (The force of energy in FSR merely manifests as the visage of Toriko.) I never said that there were 3 Harmans. Only that there are many people who represent Harman, but there's only one consciousness. An energy/essence that some may recognize as Harman Smith. Every single Harman we see actually is Harman Smith, or at the least. They were formed by the idea of Harman. The mainstream K7 (Western) followship have a more simplified understanding of the spirituality that's used in Killer 7. They tend to use a God vs Devil dichotomy. I don't agree with the mainstream (In the West) interpretation at all. I view Harman & Kun Lan more as manifestations of ideas. Initially I wrote all forms of the spiritual as red herrings. However you tend to notice a couple of reoccurring themes when you play through the rest of the Kill the Past games. Scroll to the bottom of this page (Which is also a work in progress.) http://killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/games.htm Which goes in minute detail about the relations between the Kill the Past games. (I didn't finish writing the entry yet, because I wanted to take a break from the site.) You see several characters with similar names, who all happen to be one person. One person as in they sprang from the same pool of karma. Well I don't even feel like explaining it, because I don't know how to put it into words. I started writing this post around 12 at night & now it's almost 5 in the morning. I'll just show you the beginning to the end. Moonlight Syndrome Pay close attention to Sumio Touha, Ryo Kazan & Kyoko Kazan Silver Case Ryo Kazan & Kyoko Kazan (They're not actually labeled by their names in Silver Case. In Silver Case they are just two wack jobs who get killed by Tetsugoro Kusabi Sumio Kodai, Sumio Mondo, Sumio Towba forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=803&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=19" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=803&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=19 These are the consciousness of Ayame Shimohira & Uehara Kamui Yet there are many who assume the role of Uehara Kamui (The name Kamui actually means divine spirit, or god.) Ah you know what screw it. I was going to post pics & descriptions for some of the characters, but I don;t have the time to right now. (Way too many characters) Just look through some of these posts to see some examples of characters who have appeared in several games. forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=803&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15" target="_blank">http://killer7.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=803&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 Here is much talk about how propaganda and manipulation is a theme in the game. If you ask me, it could be the key to all/most paranormal happenings we see. That actually one of the main messages that I've been trying to spread for quite awhile. However I've since retracted that statement since there actually are traces of supernatural influences in FSR & SC. (The source material that Killer 7 liberally borrows from.) By supernatural, I mean unexplainable, certain scenes are displayed in such an unexplainable mater that they have to be classified supernatural. IN K7, the whole of mankind is under one large mass-hypnosys. Jean sees a famous wrestler instead of an african assassin because the omnipresent media, he is confronted with, command his eyes and brain to see what he has to. The same goes for Curtis. Hah hah, I like this. That's a pretty clever rationale, and it makes a lot of sense. I'll be sure to quote this when I re write the site. That is what this whole TV in Harmans room could be about. It is the TV of TVs, whenever you change the persona with it, you brainwash the whole of mankind to see the chosen character, instead of Garcian. I like this theory, and it makes a lot of sense. (I'm going to add it to the site.) However, there's already an ending in Moonlight Syndrome that contradicts this ending. If anything that's prolly a loose end meant to tie in with another game. During the ending of Moonlight Syndrome. Sumio's sister walks in on her boyfriend, Ryo Kazan. Ryo Kazan is all beaten & battered, but he's staring at the tv. When Sumio's sister looks at the tv. She gets shocked like hell, because she sees Ryo's sister trapped inside the television. Trying desperately to get out. After that scene ends... the "To be continued" screen pops up. It wasn't until 8 years later when Killer 7 came out. That we find out that the T.V. during the Moonlight Syndrome ending is actually somewhat of a storage room containing souls of the dead, & that the tv is used as a medium to channel corporeal spirits into our world. (Emir transforming into the Killer 7.) Thats why internet is banned: Internet theoretically allowes people to search for their own information and content. But since there is only TV, Radio and print media in K7, it is easier for the powerfull to centralize information, since the only choice the user has with those, is to watch it or not. The worldwide "peace" is only a conspiracy of the mighty to gain more power and personal benefit of their people. They now simply work together in building a monopol on information. The "peace" is no good will of the governments. War has merely become obsolete. A perfectly sound & logical explanation. I can't add to it, since you put it more beautifully in words than I ever bothered to. When I remember correctly, in Cloudman, there were no camera-scenes, before you got into some cartoon cinematic. These scenes were in first person and the only time one of Ulmeydas people refered to the persona you were playing was "we dont have many black folks around here". That might be because their cult has created a reality isolated from the rest of the world. They are not hypnotized by the world wide media. They see garcian as who he is. And so the White House wants to get rid of them. I love this explanation. I never thought of that. I have always saw them as outside the sphere of influence, but I always viewed Ulmeyda as more of a thorn on the side. Rather than a weed that needed to be picked out. And considering God Harman: He is just a picture in Emirs sick, brainwashed mind. The chess scenes are simply dreams with Emirs two different roots ( East + West ) fighting each other. Every time Harman beats Kun Lan, the arrival of Garcians awakining has been slowed down. ............................ I thought that was the way. That I always explained God Harman. He only represents god, because in Emir's world. Harman is a god. (Figuratively speaking at least. A man called Harman practically gave Garcian a purpose to live. His purpose is to serve the Killer 7. Which in turn. Turned out to be a fabrication.) It was a man named Harman Smith who mentored him. (Principal) It was also a man named Harman Smith who took him in during the Union Hotel Murders (Y. Harm) I'll continue this post later, this is why I dread posting, because I literally end up taking over 5 hours to post. (It's morning now, & it pisses me off, because I was planning to spend the rest of the night playing dragon quest, lol.) There's just way too much to say & explain, but it's hard to put in words. The funny thing is that when you actually see Suda's games in motion. Is that the entire message gets conveyed to you within a matter of seconds. Due to the way his story/messages are expressed & conveyed through his games.

About the chess game, I do believe that when Emir sees Kun Lan and Harman being good friends and all, I think that may be a commentary on the US/Japan security treaty and how the EAST and the US are really on the same side against Japan, even though the play the "enemies" game. Which is an idea that makes perfect sense in the world we live in. (Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd gig - by the way, this little anime is a masterpiece in the true sense of the word, it puts the majority of the so called smart shows to shame - also plays with this idea in the end) It's like a Japan - US cold war going on, while the general population believes that the US and EAST are the enemies, what's really going on is that the US and the EAST together are just producing that idea to the general populace. This way, the US can disguise their will to invade Japan, by shifting the general population mind to the fabricated "EASTern threat". The EAST wins as well, since they want a piece of Japan all the same since the end of WWII. The US were perhaps smarter, because they kept Japan hostage in sense - the US held that card first. Similarly to Gohda in gits sac 2nd gig, producing the "refugees threat" himself. Like Ulmeyda says "people judge books by their covers".