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decoy- 07-02-2008
yakuza 3 announced
almost pre e3 i hope trailer will be shown but you know i love this game so making thread coz u ppl like it too http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2 seems like i have to keep ps3 now :D

kaxantrom- 07-03-2008

I gonna get yakuza it is like 6 bucks ftw wtf they haven't released yakuza 2 stateside? wtf :O ppl just pay attention to overrated games like etc etc...... I don't think this game will sell....

KIRBY 7- 07-03-2008

I gonna get yakuza it is like 6 bucks ftw wtf they haven't released yakuza 2 stateside? wtf :O I saw yakuza 2 cover art being advertised at gamestop once, but they deleted the game from their database. I die a little inside every time I call this game "Yakuza". The name "Like a dragon" Among men (The Japanese title of the game translated into English.) sounds much more badass. ppl just pay attention to overrated games like etc etc...... Yakuza itself, is overrated. The fighting engine sucks. Even Final Fight Streetwise has a much better fighting engine than the first two Yakuza games. Yakuza is the japanese equivalent of MGS. (Even though MGS was made by a Japanese guy.) In the sense that the main reason I like Yakuza is for the production values, music, story, cut scenes, & characters. The gameplay is the last thing on my mind when it comes to a yakuza game. I used to think that Yakuza 2's plot was kind of ridiculous, but it's not bad at all when compared to MGS4. MGS4's plot makes the plot twists in Yakuza 2 look plausible, lol. I don't think this game will sell.... Of course it won't. It's japanese. People only love japanese settings, & characters when the entire cast is composed of pretty boys, & animu-tardation. Yakuza's main problem is that the game is too damn manly. You never see manly games set in Japan like garouden breakblow, King of Colosseum, Kenka Banchou ever being released in the West, because the image of a japanese guy being a badass manly piece of meat just doesn't sit well with most people. (Though people love the badass skinny pretty boys for some reason.) Sure there's Ryu who is very manly & all, but he doesn't count. He's racially ambiguous like M. Bison. (I once thought that Bison was thai, then I thought he was white, now I'm hearing that he's japanese. Well, we all know he's a dictator at least.) I'm referring to characters like the ones you see in Siren or Yakuza where they're obviously supposed to be Japanese. (Or Korean. If you played through Yakuza 2 then you should already know what I'm getting at,lol.) Plus Sega of America is at fault here for trying to market Yakuza as a GTA style game.

decoy- 07-03-2008

i loved yakuza gameplay more than godhand, not to say it wasnt hardcore but for some reason i found yakuza more dopish/addictive and best possiible 3d streetsofrage. sometimes i think, nagoshi shld make SOR hemself, fucking mature setting and story with new badass designs of axl and blaze and blaze booty to sex things up more. shit will be awesome.

KIRBY 7- 07-03-2008

Meh, God Hand's battle engine is light years ahead of Yakuza's tank like battle engine. God Hand's battle engine was fluid & flowed like water. GH's closest 2d beat em up equivalent would be Double Dragon. (Which was another beat em up that relied more on strategy rather than mindless button mashing.) While I do agree that Yakuza 2 is the closest that we'll ever see to a 3d streets of rage. I'll have to say that the SOR connection has more to do with the urban setting & the crazy ass scenarios that Yakuza throws at you. In yakuza 2 there's a crazy Korean gangsta guy who seems to be inspired by the tae kwon do terminator like assassin from Versus. (the red hair guy with the shades.) You could say that he's like the SHiva of Yakuza 2. The second to last boss happens to be a spiritual remake of the Mr. X battle from Streets of Rage & Streets of Rage II. The fighting engine in Yakuza is nothing like SOR. Although SOR was a simple game to play. Sor at least required skill to beat on the highest settings. In Yakuza2 the only thing you need for the hardest setting is a lot of experience points. (The original Yakuza didn't even have a hard mode.) Yakuza's gameplay relies on one gimmick & one gimmick only. The heat moves which are activated by the press of the triangle button. Heat moves are basically in game movies portraying Kiryu kicking peoples asses in the most badass ways possible. Basically the entirety of Yakuza revolves around you meter managing your heat moves to the point where you aren't actually fighting your opposition anymore. You're just keeping them at bay until you can recharge your heat move meter up. In this sense I would have to say that Yakuza is more akin to a clumsy version of God of War's fighting engine. The fighting engine for the PS2 Berserk game is much better than Yakuza's mainly because the in game movies depicting Guts ripping shit up flow seamlessly with the combat. (Yakuza/Yakuza 2's main problem is that it takes a minute or two for some heat moves to load up once you activate them.) Streets of Rage's gameplay is more similar to Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors. Where you press one or two buttons for most of your combos, and another button that's reserved for your special moves that drain your energy bar. (Or life bar in Sor 2.) It's one of the many reasons why I can't understand why so many people in the United States hate the Dynasty Warrior/ Samurai Warrior games. (The Warrior franchise is popular in Asia, & Europe.) Gameplay wise the Warriors games play like a natural evolution of the Final Fight/Streets of Rage fighting engine. (Warriors Orochi is like a mash up between Final Fight & Streets of Rage.) i found yakuza more dopish/addictive and best possiible 3d streetsofrage. That sounds more like Warriors Orochi than anything else. Yakuza's battles are slow & choppy. Plus you find yourself hitting air more than the actual opponent. Whereas the action in Warriors Orochi is often frenetic like an oldschool arcade beat em up. sometimes i think, nagoshi shld make SOR hemself, fucking mature setting and story with new badass designs of axl and blaze and blaze booty to sex things up more. I don't see that happening. Personally I'd rather see a 3d streets of rage by Yu Suzuki. His Shenmue games had a far more superior fighting engine, because it directly borrowed from Virtua Fighter. The problem with Shenmue is that you rarely ever fought in those games. Yakuza has the exact opposite problem. You fight constantly in Yakuza, but your stuck having to rely on the clumsy ass fighting engine that the Nagoshi team created in house. While I do like Yakuza. It's half assed fighting engine leaves a lot to be desired. It's as if Nagoshi intentionally made the Yakuza games simple as hell by adding in a "I win" button in the form of the heat move attacks.

Jedilink- 07-04-2008

Can't wait for Yakuza 2 to finally come out!!!!!!!!!!

Visionnerz- 07-04-2008

It wasn't really Sega trying to market Yakuza as GTA and Shenmue, it was people who had never even played the game yet. Back when it was a Japan-only title, people were assuming it was like a cross between Shenmue's exploration(I guess because it had a modern Jaoanese setting?) and GTA(since thugs and crime are a theme, yet NO car jacking). These were assumptions mainly made based on screenshots and promotion videos. Those of us that imported the game, though, knew what was up. Like was mentioned before, it was kind of like a Streets of Rage beat em up with sort of RPG-like battles that you run into on the "field". Couple that with stat/skill progression and it sort of is like an RPG. Though Spikeout Battlestreet was more "Streets of Rage" for me, Yakuza was played by more people since it was actually marketed somewhat. The Heat moves I liked since it gave it a badass feeling. But most of the Heat moves I saw in the promotion videos, I never got to see/use while playing the actual game. That includes throwing a guy head-first into a neon sign. I thought that was badass in the trailer and its actually what got me to import the game lol but I never got to see/use that attack.

decoy- 07-04-2008

http://ryu-ga-gotoku.com/news/index.html#1 nothing much but i guess we will see some at e3. and as far as tank goes gh is much more tank when hero runs and he cant even turn immediatly. me too cant wait for y2. and like kenzan will play y3 in jap. Y heat moves steal the show, and bourne has similar takedowns, if you want to head ram on neon boards immediatley get bourne. takedowns in BC arent that different from environment heat moves of Y.

KIRBY 7- 07-04-2008

While it's true that movement in God Hand is awkward, because it borrows the same controls from RE 4. The actual fighting in God Hand is far from tank like. I don't understand how Yakuza gets so hyped up to be a SOR like game. (Other than the urban setting, & the obvious SOR II homages in Yak2.) Especially since you spend the majority of the game punching nothing but air. Shit like that just bothers me, because realistically... You would not be hitting air. It wastes too much energy. Plus it just looks stupid. The Heat moves I liked since it gave it a badass feeling. The heat moves are the only thing that makes the battle engine decent. My problem is that the entire battle engine is shaped around heat moves. To the point where it could be considered an unofficial "I WINZ" button. I would've preferred if the heat move animations were interegrated with the actual gameplay like most of the maneuvers that you can do in Urban Reign. In Urban Riegn you can wall jump, reverse & counter punches/throws, slam people into the cement, mount punch them on the ground, catch them in the air & ram them into the wall. All of this is done with the players input in mind. In other words any crazy ass shit that you pulled off in Urban Reign was done by the player himself. Whereas games like Berserk, God of War, & Yakuza usually preload movies that pretend to be gameplay. Sure, you can do everything that I described in Yakuza as well, but all you have to do is press the heat button. Once pressed Kiryu will do the move animation automatically without any chance for his move to be interrupted. Which is why imo, Urban Reign still has the best fighting engine ever conceived for a beat em up. It's just too bad the actual game that UR was shaped around wasn't very good. My dream game is something like the overall epic scope & gritty setting of the Yakuza games, combined with the fighting engine of Urban Reign, & the free roam/ customization of the Kenka Bancho & Way of the Samurai games. But whatever. I'm looking forward to Ryu 3, because it's going straight back into the urban chaos. None of that overdone samurai bullshit. I wonder how Nagoshi is going to handle this game though. I can't imagine Kiryu fighting anymore unless somebody kills Kaoru or kidnaps Haruka. Shit, Yakuza 2 really shouldn't have killed off Gouda Ryuji. That guy was cool enough to have an entire game based around him. Or at least inculde him for a potential two player mode. What pisses me off even more is that you barely ever saw Gouda in Ryu 2. (He's not the real enemy in Yak 2. He's just the guy who happens to be an equal to Kiryu's charisma, & fighting prowess. I may talk a lot shit about Ryu, but this series is actually one of my top 5 fave game franchises. I guess it's because I spent so much time with the Ryu games, that I know ful well how horrible the fighting engine is. Especially when compared to other beat em ups. (I was expecting Ryuga Gotoku's fighting engine to at least play as fluidly as Final Fight Streetwise.) Can't wait for Yakuza 2 to finally come out!!!!!!!!!! me too cant wait for y2. Is Yakuza 2 even coming out to America? So far it seems that only Europe will be getting the game. Now I fucking swear though. I did see Yakuza 2 being advertised at Gamestop once. It even had a potential cover with the ugly ass Yakuza logo written in blood. (God I hate how the Western localization tries so hard to appeal to the ADD crowd. When I think of "Like a Dragon among men". I think of manly suave charm & stoicness. In Japan the Ryu games have a classy cultured feel. Like the Hitman games.) I'm glad that I imported the game the month it came out. Yakuza 2 is a much better game than the first one. (Gameplay, & music wise at least.) The story is a bit retarded, but at least Yakuza 2 doesn't bring anybody back from the dead. Anybody who died in the first game. Will only shows up in Yak 2 as part of a flashback. (You even get to see Kiryu in his teen years when he first worked for the Yakuza.) Shimano is fucking crazy in Yak 2. It's a sad shame that he died in the first game, because he did some pretty evil badass shit in the flashbacks of Yak 2. He's my favorite character in Yakuza. I hope Yakuza 3 comes up with a bad guy who's every bit as intimidating as Shimano. Gouda Ryuji was an intimidating guy himself, but he was actually likable. You could understand why he grew up to be the man he became. Considering what Shimano & co. did to most of his family, lol.

Visionnerz- 07-04-2008

Yeah Yakuza 2 is coming to North America with just the original Japanese voices this time.

Jedilink- 07-05-2008

Yeah I don't know if they're going to put in the English actors at all. EGM said that purists will be able to play the game in Japanese with English subtitles...which I'd MUCH prefer. And there's no way that you can talk taste into American gamers Top, sorry. :P I mean I wish I sold more copies of No More Heroes, Castlevania, and Zelda. No, everyone wants either fashion or pet games (girls) or frickin fishing, nascar, hunting, or sports of any kind (hicks), or idiots who think that "military" or "military shooters" is a genre somehow...and think that Halo 3 is included in that genre (it's sci-fi!). I can't even tell some guys about Kane And Lynch because you are a crook and are not for the military. Seriously people around here have NOOOOOOOOOOOO taste at all. Every once in a while I'll find an ACTUAL gamer who wants, Metal Gear, Zelda, Elder Scrolls IV, or Mass Effect or something, but that's REALLY rare. Everyone wants huntin and fishin. Or Nascar or football. Which brings me to my question...why do people LOVE playing footbal in a videogame? I mean...can't you just go do it outside? Yourself? When I play a game I want experiences I'll never be able to have. Mass Effect and Elder Scrolls 3 and 4 are great examples. I'll never be able to do that stuff, so it's totally awesome. I'd say I'm an actual gamer though unlike most everybody I get games for. :'(

Jedilink- 07-05-2008

But whatever. I'm looking forward to Ryu 3, because it's going straight back into the urban chaos. None of that overdone samurai bullshit. I thought the third game was going to be in the Edo period????

decoy- 07-05-2008

thats my exact problem, play sports outside sports are for real thing, its no sport if you aent playing it real. but ya know ppl infatuate on beckham and rooney so they feel really nice when they control them lol. and i dont agree with just military i think evry think shooter rocks, since its ther given right and they like shooting shit. gta or military like CoC any thing shooting will do. and space opera shit is fascination of ufos and starwars form past stuck in mind forever. aliens, guns, cars, sports, fishing, party , booze and shit. seriosuly there is no booze or coke/weed/drugs game, other wise ppl wld have loved it not to mention he obvious ban lol. i heard rumor of fallout3 being banned in aussie coz it involves heroine to get some adrenaline bpoost.

Visionnerz- 07-05-2008

But whatever. I'm looking forward to Ryu 3, because it's going straight back into the urban chaos. None of that overdone samurai bullshit. I thought the third game was going to be in the Edo period???? That's Ryu ga Gotoku Kenzan. Ryu ga Gotoku/Yakuza 3 is the actual follow-up to RGG 2.

KIRBY 7- 07-06-2008

I was looking at some gameplay vids of Kenzan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xwm6VpeABI The sword fighting looks pretty good. Almost as good as Onimusha. (Dawn of Dreams looks way better than Kenzan. Which is sad coz Dawn of Dreams is a PS2 game.) Too bad that hand to hand combat still looks like shit. The hand to hand hit boxes still look every bit as sloppy as the PS2 games. I think my main problem with the Yakuza games is that the ambition that goes into them are far too big to ever be crammed into a PS2 game. One thing I noticed about Kenzan is that the heat moves don't load at all. Which is a problem that will irritate you like hell once you get yakuza 2. (Some moves take a minute just to load.) Which brings me to my question...why do people LOVE playing footbal in a videogame? I mean...can't you just go do it outside? Yourself? Exactly. That's one aspect of gaming life that I could never understand. What's more hilarious is that most of these people who play Madden & the like are just wannabes. Who could never hope to be drafted into the NFL. Which is prolly why sports games sell so well. Elder Scrolls 3 and 4 The funny thing about Elder Scrolls 3 & 4 is that they are both dumbed down interpretations of the original Elder Scroll games. Elder Scrolls was originally a rogue like, but they have been dumbed down into a relatively shallow FPS adventure shell of itself. The same has been happening to many other classic franchises lately.

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